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Tesla will face sad (for them) reality in years to come
by nixass 4y ago
Tesla will face sad (for them) reality in years to come
- nielsbot 4y agoYou mean competition?
- nixass 4y agoCompetition, bad value for money, CEO turning into idiot, extremely bad PR, poor working rights (especially in Europe/Germany).
- revscat 4y agoPeople have been confidently predicting Tesla’s imminent failure since Tesla was first producing the Roadster, if not before. I’m sure you’re different, though.
- lnsru 4y agoWhat’s so special about Tesla today? The promised self driving isn’t here. There are better cars on the market today to show how rich you are. Yes, Tesla cars are more efficient than competition. But heck, who cares about 2 kWh more when buying cars in that price range.
- marvin 4y agoA close friend of mine recently compared all EV offerings available for a family lifestyle, when buying a new car. He concluded that all but one of them was inferior to the Model Y, either in price, range, space, features, service cost. One of the BMWs was in some senses better, but he concluded "but it's 'just a car'; there's nothing magical about it" and got the Model Y anyway. Notably, the BMW was also significantly more expensive to service.
- oblio 4y agoThe people of the world drive cheap Renaults and Hyundais and Opels, not BMWs and Teslas.
- marvin 4y agoThis is a soundly middle-class Norwegian family. The one thing that distinguishes them from the rest of the world's middle class is the exemption of the 25% VAT for EVs.
- oblio 4y ago1. A middle class Norwegian family is super rich at a global scale. 2. All cars in Norway are incredibly expensive.
- marvin 4y agoWell, if we're talking about the median person on a global scale, no one can afford any car, so the subject is moot.
- oblio 4y agoNot true. 1. If this is to be believed, then the median household income is about $10k: https://news.gallup.com/poll/166211/worldwide-median-household-income-000.aspx https://news.gallup.com/poll/166211/worldwide-median-househo... That's enough to get cheap cars that cost $10k or less when new (something like this: https://www.dacia.de/modelle/sandero/konfigurator.html https://www.dacia.de/modelle/sandero/konfigurator.html). There are even cheaper Indian and Chinese options. 2. We're 8 billion. At least 2-3 billion have enough income to get Renaults and the other brands I mentioned. Norway is the outlier (middle class Norwegians making $100k+), not this very large group of people probably making $10-15k per year (individually).
- marvin 4y ago
- nielsbot 4y agoI see your point but your snark is annoying
- jillesvangurp 4y agoYou mean being the undisputed king of the hill in terms of online battery production manufacturing capacity in a market that right now seems to have an unlimited demand for batteries? They are building new factories as fast as they can with a head-start on everybody else and they seem to be getting really good at it. VW is planning to be where Tesla is this year in about five years in terms of GWH per year. Tesla is moving really aggressively in terms of new production capacity, partnerships with Panasonic and others, and strategic investments in supply chains as well as expansion into other applications for batteries (e.g. supporting the grid). I'd say, it will be a while before anybody catches up in terms of volume and economics. It's going to require more than what VW is investing right now. And I think they will invest quite aggressively. This isn't their last move; just the latest one.