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> Tesla has bet the company on robotaxis, How so? They're not selling robotaxis or building factories to build them > Tesla has repeatedly promised FSD is rig

by duped 4y ago

> Tesla has bet the company on robotaxis, How so? They're not selling robotaxis or building factories to build them > Tesla has repeatedly promised FSD is right around the corner Which means it's years away and/or "FSD" means "automatic cruise control and lane keep assist" or whatever standard feature from auto manufacturers they've renamed

clouddrover 4y ago
> How so? Because they chose to back themselves into that corner. Musk says that Tesla is worth nothing without full self-driving. Certainly it's the only thing left to justify the stock price: https://electrek.co/2022/06/15/elon-musk-solving-self-driving-difference-between-tesla-worth-a-lot-or-nothing/ https://electrek.co/2022/06/15/elon-musk-solving-self-drivin... > Which means it's years away and/or "FSD" means "automatic cruise control and lane keep assist" Well, more precisely it means Musk has been lying about it for nine years straight: https://jalopnik.com/elon-musk-promises-full-self-driving-next-year-for-th-1848432496 https://jalopnik.com/elon-musk-promises-full-self-driving-ne... The lies have been profitable so far. People have bought into the false promises. Perhaps they'll start demanding refunds for the full self-driving they paid for that has still not been delivered.
- electric_mayhem 4y ago
  Consumer and grid-scale battery storage Solar And I also think they could do some clever stuff with home HVAC, possibly using waste heat from crypto miners as the H. Lastly, afaik they went camera-only in their cheap cars (3/Y) and still use fancy stuff in the S/X. They gave fsd customers new computers once. What’s to stop them from going back to vision+lidar or whatever once the parts are available and retrofitting as needed? The whole ‘vision-only is better’ gag seemed like an obvious ploy to keep being able to ship cars from the beginning of supply chain problems. And yeah, Elon does not appear to be a good person.
  - saurik 4y ago
    https://insideevs.com/news/570053/tesla-models-modelx-no-radar/ https://insideevs.com/news/570053/tesla-models-modelx-no-rad... > Tesla has just confirmed that it has removed radar from the Model S and Model X as of mid-February 2022, moving its entire lineup to what it calls ‘Tesla Vision,’ which is an array of cameras that Tesla says negates the need for radar. The manufacturer did the same for the Model 3 and Model Y in May of last year and even though this prompted some questions from the IIHS, the institute is now fine with it after testing.
  - rsynnott 4y ago
    > And I also think they could do some clever stuff with home HVAC, possibly using waste heat from crypto miners as the H. That doesn't sound... particularly clever. Crypto miners are essentially disposable, with a useful economic lifetime of a couple of years, typically. And they are 100% thermally efficient. Which sounds quite good, until you consider that an air source heat pump is typically around 300% thermally efficient, rising to up to 500% for ground source. So, once your crypto miner is no longer really making anything (a couple of years), you're left with a really inefficient heating system.
- paulmendoza 4y ago
  In the long run it’s all robotaxis and Elon sees that. Consumer purchases of cars will basically end.
sorry_outta_gas 4y ago
I don't think tesla is but a lot of 'investors' are

by duped 4y ago

clouddrover 4y ago

> How so? Because they chose to back themselves into that corner. Musk says that Tesla is worth nothing without full self-driving. Certainly it's the only thing left to justify the stock price: https://electrek.co/2022/06/15/elon-musk-solving-self-driving-difference-between-tesla-worth-a-lot-or-nothing/ https://electrek.co/2022/06/15/elon-musk-solving-self-drivin... > Which means it's years away and/or "FSD" means "automatic cruise control and lane keep assist" Well, more precisely it means Musk has been lying about it for nine years straight: https://jalopnik.com/elon-musk-promises-full-self-driving-next-year-for-th-1848432496 https://jalopnik.com/elon-musk-promises-full-self-driving-ne... The lies have been profitable so far. People have bought into the false promises. Perhaps they'll start demanding refunds for the full self-driving they paid for that has still not been delivered.

electric_mayhem 4y ago
Consumer and grid-scale battery storage Solar And I also think they could do some clever stuff with home HVAC, possibly using waste heat from crypto miners as the H. Lastly, afaik they went camera-only in their cheap cars (3/Y) and still use fancy stuff in the S/X. They gave fsd customers new computers once. What’s to stop them from going back to vision+lidar or whatever once the parts are available and retrofitting as needed? The whole ‘vision-only is better’ gag seemed like an obvious ploy to keep being able to ship cars from the beginning of supply chain problems. And yeah, Elon does not appear to be a good person.
- saurik 4y ago
  https://insideevs.com/news/570053/tesla-models-modelx-no-radar/ https://insideevs.com/news/570053/tesla-models-modelx-no-rad... > Tesla has just confirmed that it has removed radar from the Model S and Model X as of mid-February 2022, moving its entire lineup to what it calls ‘Tesla Vision,’ which is an array of cameras that Tesla says negates the need for radar. The manufacturer did the same for the Model 3 and Model Y in May of last year and even though this prompted some questions from the IIHS, the institute is now fine with it after testing.
- rsynnott 4y ago
  > And I also think they could do some clever stuff with home HVAC, possibly using waste heat from crypto miners as the H. That doesn't sound... particularly clever. Crypto miners are essentially disposable, with a useful economic lifetime of a couple of years, typically. And they are 100% thermally efficient. Which sounds quite good, until you consider that an air source heat pump is typically around 300% thermally efficient, rising to up to 500% for ground source. So, once your crypto miner is no longer really making anything (a couple of years), you're left with a really inefficient heating system.
paulmendoza 4y ago
In the long run it’s all robotaxis and Elon sees that. Consumer purchases of cars will basically end.

sorry_outta_gas 4y ago

I don't think tesla is but a lot of 'investors' are