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I don't think we'll have a choice before long, to be frank. China and Russia are in a military and economic alliance https://gjia.georgetown.edu/2022/04/14/the

I don't think we'll have a choice before long, to be frank. China and Russia are in a military and economic alliance https://gjia.georgetown.edu/2022/04/14/the-logic-behind-china-and-russias-strategic-alliance-like-partnership/ https://gjia.georgetown.edu/2022/04/14/the-logic-behind-chin... They're created the BRICS back in 2009 and have been expanding. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BRICS https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BRICS In reality, if the west views Russia as a threat, then inevitably conflict will arise. The western sanctions locked Russia out of the financial system, which Russia and China had been preparing for. So Russia switched to the Chinese financial system. At this point, Russia has tons of resources and is feeding the Chinese production. China in 2019 was producing 30% of the worlds goods[1]. With Russia locked out of the west and China looking to advance into Taiwan, I don't really see a way that long-term China doesn't cease to produce goods for the west. When they move on Taiwan, the west will sanction them and the west will be unable to produce a large number of goods. Alternatively, Taiwan will fall and be taken without a fight and the west will be subjugated by China. [1] https://www.statista.com/chart/20858/top-10-countries-by-share-of-global-manufacturing-output/ https://www.statista.com/chart/20858/top-10-countries-by-sha...

Fauntleroy 4y ago
This is all well and good, but in the closing you forgot the part where that action would cause the Chinese economy to collapse entirely.
- thriftwy 4y ago
  > s/Chinese // I don't think that world would have any economy to speak of, in this case. That, or Taiwan would just share the fate of Hong Kong where it would be handed out.
  - arroz 4y ago
    HK was a city in China. Taiwan is a country. They are not gonna have the same fate without a huge fight.
    - thriftwy 4y ago
      Bzzt! Wrong! HK is a city of British Empire, and Taiwan is a province of China (which is contested neither by CCP nor Kuomintang). Both HK and Taiwan had nativist movement, I think. But, many regions do. California has one. So does Texas.
tick_tock_tick 4y ago
I do think a lot of people discount China's willingness to destroy it's economy and kill half it's population to achieve questionable goals. As you're article points out it's going to be really interesting watching China fall out of the top 10 of GDP if it really goes down this route. It was a poor country before but once the population gets a taste of success I can only imagine it ends in revolt.
- DoctorNick 4y ago
  This is patently absurd. That China would have a "willingness to kill half it's population" is something that only the heavily propagandized would believe.
  - CamperBob2 4y ago
    It's hardly a matter of "belief." They've done it before! Ever heard of the Cultural Revolution?!
    - DoctorNick 4y ago
      You’re very uneducated if you believe that the Cultural Revolution led to anything remotely close to half the population dying.
      - CamperBob2 4y ago
        Eh, 10 million here, 20 million there, I guess you have a point. Not such a big deal since there were 500 million more where they came from. Gotta break a few eggs, amirite. Reconsider your ethics.
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  - citilife 4y ago
    Didn't they ban having kids, leading to hundreds of millions of abortions and children being killed? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One-child_policy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One-child_policy Didn't the cultural revolution lead to mass starvation? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Chinese_Famine https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Chinese_Famine Oh and they currently do organ harvesting on prisoners (aka people who are undesirable) https://u.osu.edu/mclc/2022/01/31/chinese-official-leaks-facts-on-organ-harvesting-on-state-tv/ https://u.osu.edu/mclc/2022/01/31/chinese-official-leaks-fac... Idk they seem pretty able and willing to commit genocides
arroz 4y ago
No one cares about BRICS, it is just propaganda India and China hate each other Russia and Brazil get along with all Brazil is too far away It is just a propaganda block, I would be surprised if there is anything meaningful coming out of this block And I don’t understand why you comment so much about Russia, this is about China, no one cares about Russia
- citilife 4y ago
  https://think.ing.com/opinions/brics-the-new-name-in-reserve-currencies https://think.ing.com/opinions/brics-the-new-name-in-reserve... BRICS is creating a basket of reserve currencies and building / built a competitor to SWIFT. https://www.businessinsider.com/china-russia-alternative-swift-payment-cips-spfs-yuan-ruble-dollar-2022-4?op=1 https://www.businessinsider.com/china-russia-alternative-swi... > And I don’t understand why you comment so much about Russia, this is about China, no one cares about Russia Because, as I stated, Russia and China signed a strategic partnership? They basically created an Eastern challenge to EU/NATO. They also are self-contained in that they can trade easily and can be less dependent on the West.
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theflyinghorse 4y ago
Pushing Russia steaight into Chinese hands is a blunder of an epic scale. Now Chinese have one of the biggest raw resource and energy producers who cannot sell anywhere else but to them. Massive win for China, massive loss for the EU. But why on Earth would China stop producing goods for sale to the West? Its a trumendous opportunity for making money
- bornfreddy 4y ago
  Because power is more important than money?
- boffinAudio 4y ago
  >massive loss for the EU Thats the crux of it. Russia aligned with the EU would produce a superpower relationship that even China couldn't confront. This is intolerable to the USA, so: undermine the EU, it is...

Fauntleroy 4y ago

This is all well and good, but in the closing you forgot the part where that action would cause the Chinese economy to collapse entirely.

thriftwy 4y ago
> s/Chinese // I don't think that world would have any economy to speak of, in this case. That, or Taiwan would just share the fate of Hong Kong where it would be handed out.
- arroz 4y ago
  HK was a city in China. Taiwan is a country. They are not gonna have the same fate without a huge fight.
  - thriftwy 4y ago
    Bzzt! Wrong! HK is a city of British Empire, and Taiwan is a province of China (which is contested neither by CCP nor Kuomintang). Both HK and Taiwan had nativist movement, I think. But, many regions do. California has one. So does Texas.

tick_tock_tick 4y ago

I do think a lot of people discount China's willingness to destroy it's economy and kill half it's population to achieve questionable goals. As you're article points out it's going to be really interesting watching China fall out of the top 10 of GDP if it really goes down this route. It was a poor country before but once the population gets a taste of success I can only imagine it ends in revolt.

DoctorNick 4y ago
This is patently absurd. That China would have a "willingness to kill half it's population" is something that only the heavily propagandized would believe.
- CamperBob2 4y ago
  It's hardly a matter of "belief." They've done it before! Ever heard of the Cultural Revolution?!
  - DoctorNick 4y ago
    You’re very uneducated if you believe that the Cultural Revolution led to anything remotely close to half the population dying.
    - CamperBob2 4y ago
      Eh, 10 million here, 20 million there, I guess you have a point. Not such a big deal since there were 500 million more where they came from. Gotta break a few eggs, amirite. Reconsider your ethics.
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- citilife 4y ago
  Didn't they ban having kids, leading to hundreds of millions of abortions and children being killed? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One-child_policy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One-child_policy Didn't the cultural revolution lead to mass starvation? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Chinese_Famine https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Chinese_Famine Oh and they currently do organ harvesting on prisoners (aka people who are undesirable) https://u.osu.edu/mclc/2022/01/31/chinese-official-leaks-facts-on-organ-harvesting-on-state-tv/ https://u.osu.edu/mclc/2022/01/31/chinese-official-leaks-fac... Idk they seem pretty able and willing to commit genocides

arroz 4y ago

No one cares about BRICS, it is just propaganda India and China hate each other Russia and Brazil get along with all Brazil is too far away It is just a propaganda block, I would be surprised if there is anything meaningful coming out of this block And I don’t understand why you comment so much about Russia, this is about China, no one cares about Russia

citilife 4y ago
https://think.ing.com/opinions/brics-the-new-name-in-reserve-currencies https://think.ing.com/opinions/brics-the-new-name-in-reserve... BRICS is creating a basket of reserve currencies and building / built a competitor to SWIFT. https://www.businessinsider.com/china-russia-alternative-swift-payment-cips-spfs-yuan-ruble-dollar-2022-4?op=1 https://www.businessinsider.com/china-russia-alternative-swi... > And I don’t understand why you comment so much about Russia, this is about China, no one cares about Russia Because, as I stated, Russia and China signed a strategic partnership? They basically created an Eastern challenge to EU/NATO. They also are self-contained in that they can trade easily and can be less dependent on the West.

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theflyinghorse 4y ago

Pushing Russia steaight into Chinese hands is a blunder of an epic scale. Now Chinese have one of the biggest raw resource and energy producers who cannot sell anywhere else but to them. Massive win for China, massive loss for the EU. But why on Earth would China stop producing goods for sale to the West? Its a trumendous opportunity for making money

bornfreddy 4y ago
Because power is more important than money?
boffinAudio 4y ago
>massive loss for the EU Thats the crux of it. Russia aligned with the EU would produce a superpower relationship that even China couldn't confront. This is intolerable to the USA, so: undermine the EU, it is...