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> If you've ever used it even for killing weeds in your yard, you surely know that this stuff kills almost anything in its path. It's not something you want on

by pkaye 4y ago

> If you've ever used it even for killing weeds in your yard, you surely know that this stuff kills almost anything in its path. It's not something you want on your body, let alone inside of it. Neither would you want most organic pesticides inside your body.

thenerdhead 4y ago
That's why you buy USDA Organic to ensure you have less levels of em!
- riversflow 4y ago
  I'm not sure if this is sarcasm... but if you actually trust/believe that farmers don't cheat during facility inspections, I don't know what to tell you. Every USDA organic farm I've ever had an inside track on is guilty, and that's quite a few. There is no random testing of domestic crops, only imports.[1] Domestic producers are subject to compliance, but the process is scheduled, typically sampling happens onsite, and the FDA makes announcements about crops it plans to investigate.[2] My understanding from talking with experts is that imported produce in particular is subject to significantly greater oversight than domestic produce. [1]https://www.fda.gov/food/importing-food-products-united-states/fda-strategy-safety-imported-food https://www.fda.gov/food/importing-food-products-united-stat... [2]https://www.fda.gov/food/compliance-enforcement-food/sampling-protect-food-supply https://www.fda.gov/food/compliance-enforcement-food/samplin...
  - thenerdhead 4y ago
    If they are held to a standard, it's better than none at all. It was a bit tongue in cheek of a comment though. https://www.ams.usda.gov/grades-standards/organic-standards https://www.ams.usda.gov/grades-standards/organic-standards
  - cjrp 4y ago
    Do the inspections not involve going out to the fields and testing crops/soil?
    - riversflow 4y ago
      According to this pdf[1] they may take soil or tissue samples, but primarily the inspection leans on self-reporting. I’d wager that the (3rd party) inspector is mostly checking that you are following your Organic System Plan. There is also nothing stopping the certifier from sending out a separate consultant the week before to make sure their customer has all their ducks in a row. I know thats a thing for ISO certificates. Fwiw, most regulatory agencies I’m familiar with in the US rely heavily on self-reporting. [1] https://www.ams.usda.gov/sites/default/files/media/Guide%20to%20Organic%20Certification.pdf https://www.ams.usda.gov/sites/default/files/media/Guide%20t...
  - omilu 4y ago
    >>but if you actually trust/believe that farmers don't cheat during facility inspections, I don't know what to tell you. Every USDA organic farm I've ever had an inside track on is guilty, and that's quite a few This is how half the country feels about election officials.
    - feet 4y ago
      The people who feel that way about election officials have missed the forest for the trees. The US is a one party state, elections don't matter because the runners are decided by those with the capital to finance them Both parties are captured by corporate interests

by pkaye 4y ago

thenerdhead 4y ago

That's why you buy USDA Organic to ensure you have less levels of em!

riversflow 4y ago
I'm not sure if this is sarcasm... but if you actually trust/believe that farmers don't cheat during facility inspections, I don't know what to tell you. Every USDA organic farm I've ever had an inside track on is guilty, and that's quite a few. There is no random testing of domestic crops, only imports.[1] Domestic producers are subject to compliance, but the process is scheduled, typically sampling happens onsite, and the FDA makes announcements about crops it plans to investigate.[2] My understanding from talking with experts is that imported produce in particular is subject to significantly greater oversight than domestic produce. [1]https://www.fda.gov/food/importing-food-products-united-states/fda-strategy-safety-imported-food https://www.fda.gov/food/importing-food-products-united-stat... [2]https://www.fda.gov/food/compliance-enforcement-food/sampling-protect-food-supply https://www.fda.gov/food/compliance-enforcement-food/samplin...
- thenerdhead 4y ago
  If they are held to a standard, it's better than none at all. It was a bit tongue in cheek of a comment though. https://www.ams.usda.gov/grades-standards/organic-standards https://www.ams.usda.gov/grades-standards/organic-standards
- cjrp 4y ago
  Do the inspections not involve going out to the fields and testing crops/soil?
  - riversflow 4y ago
    According to this pdf[1] they may take soil or tissue samples, but primarily the inspection leans on self-reporting. I’d wager that the (3rd party) inspector is mostly checking that you are following your Organic System Plan. There is also nothing stopping the certifier from sending out a separate consultant the week before to make sure their customer has all their ducks in a row. I know thats a thing for ISO certificates. Fwiw, most regulatory agencies I’m familiar with in the US rely heavily on self-reporting. [1] https://www.ams.usda.gov/sites/default/files/media/Guide%20to%20Organic%20Certification.pdf https://www.ams.usda.gov/sites/default/files/media/Guide%20t...
- omilu 4y ago
  >>but if you actually trust/believe that farmers don't cheat during facility inspections, I don't know what to tell you. Every USDA organic farm I've ever had an inside track on is guilty, and that's quite a few This is how half the country feels about election officials.
  - feet 4y ago
    The people who feel that way about election officials have missed the forest for the trees. The US is a one party state, elections don't matter because the runners are decided by those with the capital to finance them Both parties are captured by corporate interests