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There is an event horizon that one passes at a certain time in their career in which they come to realize that the two disciplines are indistinguishable. Both a

by kls 15y ago

There is an event horizon that one passes at a certain time in their career in which they come to realize that the two disciplines are indistinguishable. Both are expression of creation, a person that does not see the creative value of one has not reached the pinnacle of the other.

danso 15y ago
Nicely said. I am a developer and a designer, and I used to tell people it wasn't worth learning HTML or CSS since it's taken care of in many CMSes and plugins. But now I've come to realize that people who have little working knowledge of HTML/CSS are unable to even conceive of using the Web to its full potential.
- mattmanser 15y ago
  No offence, but find me a CMS or plugin that can make me facebook or basecamp. Or any app to be honest. If you want to make a nice application, that path is not in the slightest bit open to you. For simple websites I agree and say the same thing, otherwise, no.
  - talmand 15y ago
    Either I don't understand the meaning behind your response or you didn't understand danso's comment. My thought was that he was stating that you need both to make a complete project, which is true. Your last sentence suggests you think HTML/CSS is only good for simple websites? I don't quite understand what you mean. It seems danso was saying what you might be suggesting, based on whether I understand your comment. Either way, could you clarify what you mean? I think the "No offence" part is throwing me off.
  - danso 15y ago
    I think you misread my comment. I said I used to think that a CMS or plugin could take care of most people's HTML needs. In fact, it might be the case that someone has to rarely write raw HTML thanks to the tools out there. But if that person never learned HTML in the first place, then they are at a severe disadvantage. As would be someone who never learned how to write because he figured he could just dictate into the computer's speech-to-text program.

by kls 15y ago

danso 15y ago

Nicely said. I am a developer and a designer, and I used to tell people it wasn't worth learning HTML or CSS since it's taken care of in many CMSes and plugins. But now I've come to realize that people who have little working knowledge of HTML/CSS are unable to even conceive of using the Web to its full potential.

mattmanser 15y ago
No offence, but find me a CMS or plugin that can make me facebook or basecamp. Or any app to be honest. If you want to make a nice application, that path is not in the slightest bit open to you. For simple websites I agree and say the same thing, otherwise, no.
- talmand 15y ago
  Either I don't understand the meaning behind your response or you didn't understand danso's comment. My thought was that he was stating that you need both to make a complete project, which is true. Your last sentence suggests you think HTML/CSS is only good for simple websites? I don't quite understand what you mean. It seems danso was saying what you might be suggesting, based on whether I understand your comment. Either way, could you clarify what you mean? I think the "No offence" part is throwing me off.
- danso 15y ago
  I think you misread my comment. I said I used to think that a CMS or plugin could take care of most people's HTML needs. In fact, it might be the case that someone has to rarely write raw HTML thanks to the tools out there. But if that person never learned HTML in the first place, then they are at a severe disadvantage. As would be someone who never learned how to write because he figured he could just dictate into the computer's speech-to-text program.