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Discord is probably the only company that can make voice+chat+streaming software right. It's insane how bad Teams' chat is. I don't know who was crazy enough

Discord is probably the only company that can make voice+chat+streaming software right. It's insane how bad Teams' chat is. I don't know who was crazy enough to paste fucking formating with text, so when you copy from IDE/docs/whatever then Teams applies font sizes / colors and makes mess, so you have to copy stuff to e.g notepad and then to Teams. Additionally leaving `` block sometime doesn't work <wtf> Cool software doesn't do crazy shit with Clipboard and Links __________ lack of Push2Talk option (not mute/unmute btn) is tragedy, did those people ever play some video games with teams/guilds? Ventrilo had this feature in probably 2003, Discord uses it too, but enterprise communicators struggle to figure this simple feature despite being so good, especially when everybody was WFH and had people in the house talking. ____________ On the positives side - calendar and its integrations are unparalleled and meetings are decent.

bobkazamakis 4y ago
>Discord is probably the only company that can make voice+chat+streaming software right. it's absurd to a level where they could white-label their existing stuff and aim it at commercial applications.
- bob1029 4y ago
  I've desperately wanted to spend money on a better solution like this, but gaming being the only major use case makes it a difficult sell to the rest of the team. That cute UI bullshit wears thin very quickly in a work setting. It's also really tricky to get other 3rd parties and vendors to join your discord meetings in 2022. All they would need to do is remove a bunch of gaming-related crap and sell it as Discord for Business to take our money from us. Maybe just a light sprinkle of outlook integration would be nice too. I'd sign annual agreements for this today if it was an option.
  - mark_and_sweep 4y ago
    Agreed. Don't understand why they don't do it. Would love to have my employer spend money on Discord, indirectly financing free voice chat for my evening gaming sessions...
    - bombcar 4y ago
      Call it Concord and you'd be good to go.
millzlane 4y ago
I sometimes want to keep formatting when copy and pasting documentation from the KB in the web. Keeping formatting helps with emphasis and colored text and bullets in documentation. In teams on Mac, to paste as plaint text on a mac, when you paste, use Shift + Option + Command + V, it appears to work for me. The Shift + Option modifiers doesn't seem to work with the right-click menu, but it does with the keyboard. For windows it may be Control+Shift+V. https://www.howtogeek.com/807223/ctrlshiftv-is-the-best-shortcut-youre-not-using/ https://www.howtogeek.com/807223/ctrlshiftv-is-the-best-shor... Cheers!
- dylan604 4y ago
  See, that's just ridiculously backwards. If you want to paste something special, then you use paste-special. Otherwise, just paste the damn text like every other thing on the planet. Paset Special shouldn't do the normal/expected thing. It should do something other, special, thing that is outside of the normal/expected thing.
walls 4y ago
If you hold shift while you paste it will remove all formatting.
_Algernon_ 4y ago
I take it that Teams doesn't support Ctrl+Shift+V to paste without formatting? If so that's plain stupid.
- 369548684892826 4y ago
  Yes, this is the answer. Ctrl-Shift-V does paste without formatting in Teams, I use it every day!
  - tester756 4y ago
    But why? The default behaviour that's used by like every other software is different than that. Seriously people who copy paste Excel tables to Teams are the majority? Cannot they just add edge cases for stuff like tables and leave normal text alone?
    - 369548684892826 4y ago
      But I think this does match the default in other software. I'm sure if you copy/paste from Excel to Word the default would be the fully formatted table not plain text.
    - _Algernon_ 4y ago
      I've checked Google Docs and Libre Office and they both use Ctrl+V for formatted paste, and Ctrl+Shift+V for unformatted paste (Libre office gives a menu to choose). I cant check MS word as I don't have it installed, but it seems to me that Teams is closer to using the default behaviour here.
      - tester756 4y ago
        Google Docs and Libre Office are document editing software, Browsers (but it may be due to lack of support in controls?), Text Editors like Notepad++, Notepad, Discord, Textboxes do not behave like this Idk honestly. While I do expect format to follow between excel/word, then pasting it to other apps not something I expect. That's really rare case where I've found it useful. The most ridiculous situation is when you paste from docs to github and it creates screenshoot or some weird, giant xml that causes site to hang for 10sec Since that I'm heavily against programs messing with CTRL+V
gpetukhov 4y ago
To fix Teams formatting issue on MacOS once and for all you can go to System Preferences->Keyboard->Shortcuts->App Shortcuts, then add a new shortcut by pressing (+), choose "Application": "Microsoft Teams", "Menu title": "Paste and Match Style", "Keyboard Shortcut": "⌘V", and click "Add". Done!
KptMarchewa 4y ago
> Discord is probably the only company that can make voice+chat+streaming software right. I still don't understand why they did not not release it as a business software, exactly the same but with reskinned without that gaming cringe. I actually was using it as business communicator at ~2018... but at gaming company.
thefz 4y ago
> lack of Push2Talk option (not mute/unmute btn) is tragedy, did those people ever play some video games with teams/guilds? If you are muted you can press spacebar to temporarily unmute yourself. Look for it in the options.
- tester756 4y ago
  That's not how Ventrilo, TeamSpeak and Discord implement it. That's poor-man implementation of this. Push2Talk is literally "you talk when pressing button" and combined with e.g MOUSE buttons, so it's comfortable when playing games or coding in your IDE, you have 100% control over when talking and you don't have to have focus on the communicator(!)
  - thefz 4y ago
    I know how PTT works man, I was just trying to help OP.
bearjaws 4y ago
Not to mention call latency is 500ms+ consistently, living on East Coast USA... Teams calls have way more instances of cutting off and having to go "no you go first". It's absolutely pathetic, its basically like I am talking to someone in India over landline.
lkramer 4y ago
I'm so happy Microsoft's attempt to buy Discord died. Intuitively it would have been great, MS would be able to leverage Discord tech and make their other products better. The reality would have been, like their purchase of Skype, to continuously make the product worse until it becomes as bad as all the other MS products.
Kaze404 4y ago
Discord is still lackluster on many fronts. Their implementation of threads is probably the worst I've ever seen or used, for example. That said, it is a great platform to use nowadays. But as someone who's used it (literally) daily since 2015, it's worth pointing out that it took them a significant amount of time to get to this point, and they still have ways to go.
PhasmaFelis 4y ago
> Discord is probably the only company that can make voice+chat+streaming software right. This made me chuckle ruefully. I mean, you're not wrong. I'd describe Discord's UI as "okay" at best. It's missing some features that were standard in chat clients from twenty years ago. But it's so much better than every other "collaboration" app out there that it looks stellar by comparison.
silksowed 4y ago
i enjoy sharing live copies of microsoft office documents for collab work with peers. it works fairly well as a shared file repo for simple things like powerpoint/excel. the purley chat functionality of teams needs work, but doesn't seem like to heavy a lift to accomplish long term. my experience with meetings has always been pleasant, the audio switches seamless when i connect my bluetooth audio and the meeting UI is solid. not sure i understand where all the hate comes from. works well enough when your company is already an MS office shop
- tester756 4y ago
  Chat. Teams' Chat is its weakest point. Slow (up arrow to edit message), Unstable (sometimes you cannot escape `` block), Sometimes it's hard to expand reaction emojis on latest message lack of code coloring unlike Discord ```sql SELECT * FROM ```
sli 4y ago
The (forced) threaded chat in Teams is an absolute nightmare and I refuse to believe they dogfooded it to see if it was actually useful. It just made everything take a whole bunch of extra time and effort to follow and comes across as a feature that someone thought was just kinda neat without caring to determine actual usefulness. Do teams really have that many separate discussions in a single chat so often that it necessitates threads instead of, say, splitting those broader topics into new rooms? That also lets users mute or otherwise adjust notification settings for things are are less relevant to them. Last I remember, threads barely even reported new messages inside them, and would only show the first message, so the team chat just looked dead forever the moment it was added. It really is absurdly awful.
kevincox 4y ago
I don't get the forced top level Communities/Servers/Workspaces. I guess I'm not typical since a lot of messengers seem deeply invested in this design (Discord, Slack, Element) but for personal use I really just want DMs and groups. Even just switching between two Discord Servers and one DM gets old really quick. I get why Slack does it, it makes sense from a work context. (At least until you have a public Slack, private Slack, a kubernetes slack and more that are a pain to switch between). But for personal I just hate it.
tatersolid 4y ago
> I don't know who was crazy enough to paste fucking formating with text Control+Shift+V pastes without formatting in Teams. It’s even right there in the documentation. The default of “pasting with formatting” is likely what non-technical users expect, and actually works great for pasting snippets of web pages including images
grishka 4y ago
> Discord is probably the only company that can make voice+chat+streaming software right. Discord is absolutely terrible though compared to what I'm used to. The default settings are bonkers — you get badges and dots and all the crap EVERYWHERE, but it turns out those all are super-important @all @here @everyone "server announcements". Broadcast mentions should just never have been invented. They definitely shouldn't be displayed the same as personal mentions. And Discord notification settings aren't easy to configure correctly. I somehow managed to mute a "server" so much that I wasn't receiving even direct mentions, when my intention was to only disable non-direct ones. The UX for when you haven't been reading a chat for a while is also awful. The UX in general, with it being an Electron app and implementing all controls and their behaviors from scratch, just can't technically get even close to feeling macOS-native. This, the forced auto-updating, and having to run one more Chromium instance, made me realize that I can run it as a browser tab and not lose anything.
- shirogane86x 4y ago
  > Discord is absolutely terrible though compared to what I'm used to What are you used to? Genuine question. I've tried many options and to be honest, discord has been the nicest so far. Yeah, it's far from perfect - but I still found it way better than slack, teams, meet, zoom. Although I personally don't really mind the mentions - I spend a decent amount of time in public servers, and have learnt to just suppress what I don't want (I also run windows, not macOS, so maybe that's also part of the "issue"?)
  - grishka 4y ago
    Telegram and VKontakte. On the Electron UX part — I just don't like apps implementing their own controls instead of using system ones, regardless of how it's done. (yes, both Telegram clients that run on macOS are guilty of this as well)

bobkazamakis 4y ago

>Discord is probably the only company that can make voice+chat+streaming software right. it's absurd to a level where they could white-label their existing stuff and aim it at commercial applications.

bob1029 4y ago
I've desperately wanted to spend money on a better solution like this, but gaming being the only major use case makes it a difficult sell to the rest of the team. That cute UI bullshit wears thin very quickly in a work setting. It's also really tricky to get other 3rd parties and vendors to join your discord meetings in 2022. All they would need to do is remove a bunch of gaming-related crap and sell it as Discord for Business to take our money from us. Maybe just a light sprinkle of outlook integration would be nice too. I'd sign annual agreements for this today if it was an option.
- mark_and_sweep 4y ago
  Agreed. Don't understand why they don't do it. Would love to have my employer spend money on Discord, indirectly financing free voice chat for my evening gaming sessions...
  - bombcar 4y ago
    Call it Concord and you'd be good to go.

millzlane 4y ago

I sometimes want to keep formatting when copy and pasting documentation from the KB in the web. Keeping formatting helps with emphasis and colored text and bullets in documentation. In teams on Mac, to paste as plaint text on a mac, when you paste, use Shift + Option + Command + V, it appears to work for me. The Shift + Option modifiers doesn't seem to work with the right-click menu, but it does with the keyboard. For windows it may be Control+Shift+V. https://www.howtogeek.com/807223/ctrlshiftv-is-the-best-shortcut-youre-not-using/ https://www.howtogeek.com/807223/ctrlshiftv-is-the-best-shor... Cheers!

dylan604 4y ago
See, that's just ridiculously backwards. If you want to paste something special, then you use paste-special. Otherwise, just paste the damn text like every other thing on the planet. Paset Special shouldn't do the normal/expected thing. It should do something other, special, thing that is outside of the normal/expected thing.

walls 4y ago

If you hold shift while you paste it will remove all formatting.

_Algernon_ 4y ago

I take it that Teams doesn't support Ctrl+Shift+V to paste without formatting? If so that's plain stupid.

369548684892826 4y ago
Yes, this is the answer. Ctrl-Shift-V does paste without formatting in Teams, I use it every day!
- tester756 4y ago
  But why? The default behaviour that's used by like every other software is different than that. Seriously people who copy paste Excel tables to Teams are the majority? Cannot they just add edge cases for stuff like tables and leave normal text alone?
  - 369548684892826 4y ago
    But I think this does match the default in other software. I'm sure if you copy/paste from Excel to Word the default would be the fully formatted table not plain text.
  - _Algernon_ 4y ago
    I've checked Google Docs and Libre Office and they both use Ctrl+V for formatted paste, and Ctrl+Shift+V for unformatted paste (Libre office gives a menu to choose). I cant check MS word as I don't have it installed, but it seems to me that Teams is closer to using the default behaviour here.
    - tester756 4y ago
      Google Docs and Libre Office are document editing software, Browsers (but it may be due to lack of support in controls?), Text Editors like Notepad++, Notepad, Discord, Textboxes do not behave like this Idk honestly. While I do expect format to follow between excel/word, then pasting it to other apps not something I expect. That's really rare case where I've found it useful. The most ridiculous situation is when you paste from docs to github and it creates screenshoot or some weird, giant xml that causes site to hang for 10sec Since that I'm heavily against programs messing with CTRL+V

gpetukhov 4y ago

To fix Teams formatting issue on MacOS once and for all you can go to System Preferences->Keyboard->Shortcuts->App Shortcuts, then add a new shortcut by pressing (+), choose "Application": "Microsoft Teams", "Menu title": "Paste and Match Style", "Keyboard Shortcut": "⌘V", and click "Add". Done!

KptMarchewa 4y ago

> Discord is probably the only company that can make voice+chat+streaming software right. I still don't understand why they did not not release it as a business software, exactly the same but with reskinned without that gaming cringe. I actually was using it as business communicator at ~2018... but at gaming company.

thefz 4y ago

> lack of Push2Talk option (not mute/unmute btn) is tragedy, did those people ever play some video games with teams/guilds? If you are muted you can press spacebar to temporarily unmute yourself. Look for it in the options.

tester756 4y ago
That's not how Ventrilo, TeamSpeak and Discord implement it. That's poor-man implementation of this. Push2Talk is literally "you talk when pressing button" and combined with e.g MOUSE buttons, so it's comfortable when playing games or coding in your IDE, you have 100% control over when talking and you don't have to have focus on the communicator(!)
- thefz 4y ago
  I know how PTT works man, I was just trying to help OP.

bearjaws 4y ago

Not to mention call latency is 500ms+ consistently, living on East Coast USA... Teams calls have way more instances of cutting off and having to go "no you go first". It's absolutely pathetic, its basically like I am talking to someone in India over landline.

lkramer 4y ago

I'm so happy Microsoft's attempt to buy Discord died. Intuitively it would have been great, MS would be able to leverage Discord tech and make their other products better. The reality would have been, like their purchase of Skype, to continuously make the product worse until it becomes as bad as all the other MS products.

Kaze404 4y ago

Discord is still lackluster on many fronts. Their implementation of threads is probably the worst I've ever seen or used, for example. That said, it is a great platform to use nowadays. But as someone who's used it (literally) daily since 2015, it's worth pointing out that it took them a significant amount of time to get to this point, and they still have ways to go.

PhasmaFelis 4y ago

> Discord is probably the only company that can make voice+chat+streaming software right. This made me chuckle ruefully. I mean, you're not wrong. I'd describe Discord's UI as "okay" at best. It's missing some features that were standard in chat clients from twenty years ago. But it's so much better than every other "collaboration" app out there that it looks stellar by comparison.

silksowed 4y ago

i enjoy sharing live copies of microsoft office documents for collab work with peers. it works fairly well as a shared file repo for simple things like powerpoint/excel. the purley chat functionality of teams needs work, but doesn't seem like to heavy a lift to accomplish long term. my experience with meetings has always been pleasant, the audio switches seamless when i connect my bluetooth audio and the meeting UI is solid. not sure i understand where all the hate comes from. works well enough when your company is already an MS office shop

tester756 4y ago
Chat. Teams' Chat is its weakest point. Slow (up arrow to edit message), Unstable (sometimes you cannot escape `` block), Sometimes it's hard to expand reaction emojis on latest message lack of code coloring unlike Discord ```sql SELECT * FROM ```

sli 4y ago

The (forced) threaded chat in Teams is an absolute nightmare and I refuse to believe they dogfooded it to see if it was actually useful. It just made everything take a whole bunch of extra time and effort to follow and comes across as a feature that someone thought was just kinda neat without caring to determine actual usefulness. Do teams really have that many separate discussions in a single chat so often that it necessitates threads instead of, say, splitting those broader topics into new rooms? That also lets users mute or otherwise adjust notification settings for things are are less relevant to them. Last I remember, threads barely even reported new messages inside them, and would only show the first message, so the team chat just looked dead forever the moment it was added. It really is absurdly awful.

kevincox 4y ago

I don't get the forced top level Communities/Servers/Workspaces. I guess I'm not typical since a lot of messengers seem deeply invested in this design (Discord, Slack, Element) but for personal use I really just want DMs and groups. Even just switching between two Discord Servers and one DM gets old really quick. I get why Slack does it, it makes sense from a work context. (At least until you have a public Slack, private Slack, a kubernetes slack and more that are a pain to switch between). But for personal I just hate it.

tatersolid 4y ago

> I don't know who was crazy enough to paste fucking formating with text Control+Shift+V pastes without formatting in Teams. It’s even right there in the documentation. The default of “pasting with formatting” is likely what non-technical users expect, and actually works great for pasting snippets of web pages including images

grishka 4y ago

> Discord is probably the only company that can make voice+chat+streaming software right. Discord is absolutely terrible though compared to what I'm used to. The default settings are bonkers — you get badges and dots and all the crap EVERYWHERE, but it turns out those all are super-important @all @here @everyone "server announcements". Broadcast mentions should just never have been invented. They definitely shouldn't be displayed the same as personal mentions. And Discord notification settings aren't easy to configure correctly. I somehow managed to mute a "server" so much that I wasn't receiving even direct mentions, when my intention was to only disable non-direct ones. The UX for when you haven't been reading a chat for a while is also awful. The UX in general, with it being an Electron app and implementing all controls and their behaviors from scratch, just can't technically get even close to feeling macOS-native. This, the forced auto-updating, and having to run one more Chromium instance, made me realize that I can run it as a browser tab and not lose anything.

shirogane86x 4y ago
> Discord is absolutely terrible though compared to what I'm used to What are you used to? Genuine question. I've tried many options and to be honest, discord has been the nicest so far. Yeah, it's far from perfect - but I still found it way better than slack, teams, meet, zoom. Although I personally don't really mind the mentions - I spend a decent amount of time in public servers, and have learnt to just suppress what I don't want (I also run windows, not macOS, so maybe that's also part of the "issue"?)
- grishka 4y ago
  Telegram and VKontakte. On the Electron UX part — I just don't like apps implementing their own controls instead of using system ones, regardless of how it's done. (yes, both Telegram clients that run on macOS are guilty of this as well)