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I dislike these beliefs that idealize a world with no trust or cooperation. Humans are social animals and we do our best when we work together. We don't need to

I dislike these beliefs that idealize a world with no trust or cooperation. Humans are social animals and we do our best when we work together. We don't need to throw the baby out with the bath water and private host everything on our own servers because one company is doing something shady. You can own your data on someone else's hardware with strong encryption and common sense legislation that regulates how its accessed.

anigbrowl 4y ago
Reasonable, but your position if taken to extremes can lead to oppressive conformism - eg if you choose not to have or share footage from a security camera, you become an object of suspicion yourself. Relying on 'common sense legislation' assumes a level of probity which is often sadly lacking.
- chickenpotpie 4y ago
  So don't take my position to the extremes. Top level comment was a very general blanket statement. I'm saying there's a middle ground.
  - anigbrowl 4y ago
    I dislike these beliefs that idealize a world with no trust or cooperation Sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander.
salawat 4y ago
>I dislike these beliefs that idealize a world with no trust or cooperation. Humans are social animals and we do our best when we work together. I agree. Remember, cooperation and trust brought you such gems as: The Trail of Tears Jim Crow Standard Oil The Holocaust MKULTRA COINTELPRO The War on Drugs WWII internment camps The Rwandan Genocide The Uiyghur genocide Systemic Human Rights abuses Plenty of other bits and bobs of nastyness no one wants to admit to. The problem with cooperation without strict limits, is that cooperation is the "might makes right" of our time. Network effects are a hell of a superpower, and like all superpowers, there is a responsibility to really consider whether the world truly is a better place with it. When you build these social constructs, you're putting a lot of motive power into potentially only precious few hands. Cooperation and trust is all good when you're the one watching the local outgroup get curb stomped. Woe be unto the ingroup that becomes the outgroup due to lack of foresight. I like humans that aren't focusing on targeting other groups of humans.

anigbrowl 4y ago

Reasonable, but your position if taken to extremes can lead to oppressive conformism - eg if you choose not to have or share footage from a security camera, you become an object of suspicion yourself. Relying on 'common sense legislation' assumes a level of probity which is often sadly lacking.

chickenpotpie 4y ago
So don't take my position to the extremes. Top level comment was a very general blanket statement. I'm saying there's a middle ground.
- anigbrowl 4y ago
  I dislike these beliefs that idealize a world with no trust or cooperation Sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander.

salawat 4y ago

>I dislike these beliefs that idealize a world with no trust or cooperation. Humans are social animals and we do our best when we work together. I agree. Remember, cooperation and trust brought you such gems as: The Trail of Tears Jim Crow Standard Oil The Holocaust MKULTRA COINTELPRO The War on Drugs WWII internment camps The Rwandan Genocide The Uiyghur genocide Systemic Human Rights abuses Plenty of other bits and bobs of nastyness no one wants to admit to. The problem with cooperation without strict limits, is that cooperation is the "might makes right" of our time. Network effects are a hell of a superpower, and like all superpowers, there is a responsibility to really consider whether the world truly is a better place with it. When you build these social constructs, you're putting a lot of motive power into potentially only precious few hands. Cooperation and trust is all good when you're the one watching the local outgroup get curb stomped. Woe be unto the ingroup that becomes the outgroup due to lack of foresight. I like humans that aren't focusing on targeting other groups of humans.