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>MacBook Pro 16" i9 with 16GB RAM every day. This was supposed to be the most kick-a$$ laptop at the time Firstly that entire era of MacBooks is hot garbage,

>MacBook Pro 16" i9 with 16GB RAM every day. This was supposed to be the most kick-a$$ laptop at the time Firstly that entire era of MacBooks is hot garbage, literally. The case can’t handle the heat the processor creates. Even for basic tasks they all sucked and were probably the poorest performing Macs in multiple decades. But here’s the real issue, end of the day there is no incentive for devs to build proper performant Mac apps anymore. The sheer cost and team required to ship one of these natively as well as on top of the iPhone and iPad apps which again require custom work each is absurd compared to just shipping a chrome wrapper that doesn’t seem to impact the success of an app at all, hard to name a popular Mac app these days that isn’t just a chromium wrapper, outside of video/audio/3D software.

parentheses 4y ago
The solution use their product to run this software in the cloud.
5350-uiop-1130 4y ago
>This was supposed to be the most kick-a$$ laptop at the time cry me a river, post comes across kind of entitled. I used this MS bloatware app on a 2015 macbook and it runs ok, no worse than slack at least - but I'm 2 Os's behind.
windowsrookie 4y ago
I hear this all the time, but my 15" 2018 i7 model has been great. The 16" i9 models in particular seem to have the most complaints. Not sure what went wrong with those models.
hu3 4y ago
This is what I don't understand. MacBooks, which are frequently advertised as being "the greatest ever", run Teams so poorly while mediocre Windows and Linux laptops barely feel Teams running. I write this from a client-issued $1000 Windows laptop that is running a ton of crap plus Teams with no fan sound to be heard. While the Intel MacBook next to me is screaming from just a few browser tabs and slack.
- astrange 4y ago
  A browser tab and “just” shouldn’t appear in the same sentence, any given browser tab is running a large piece of complex software written entirely in JavaScript with no performance testing.
  - hu3 4y ago
    I just checked the tabs. 2 google searches, 4 stack overflow, spotify, azure devops git repo with a medium sized file opened. None of which are CPU intensive according to Chrome task manager. So yes, they are "just" some tabs. Intel macs are notorious for being literal hot screamers. I read similar complains frequently on HN.
Doctor_Fegg 4y ago
You’re not wrong that they’re bad machines, but nothing at all stresses them like Teams. Xcode, Zoom, Adobe CS? All fine. Teams? Just don’t even try.
bbkane 4y ago
Yes Apple has really disappointed me with their push to make native software difficult to built for their platforms. They're deprecating common 3rd party native libraries (OpenGL), their own native tools (kernel extensions - admittedly rarely needed), and making it difficult to do CI/CD for MacOS (no VMs).

parentheses 4y ago

The solution use their product to run this software in the cloud.

5350-uiop-1130 4y ago

>This was supposed to be the most kick-a$$ laptop at the time cry me a river, post comes across kind of entitled. I used this MS bloatware app on a 2015 macbook and it runs ok, no worse than slack at least - but I'm 2 Os's behind.

windowsrookie 4y ago

I hear this all the time, but my 15" 2018 i7 model has been great. The 16" i9 models in particular seem to have the most complaints. Not sure what went wrong with those models.

hu3 4y ago

This is what I don't understand. MacBooks, which are frequently advertised as being "the greatest ever", run Teams so poorly while mediocre Windows and Linux laptops barely feel Teams running. I write this from a client-issued $1000 Windows laptop that is running a ton of crap plus Teams with no fan sound to be heard. While the Intel MacBook next to me is screaming from just a few browser tabs and slack.

astrange 4y ago
A browser tab and “just” shouldn’t appear in the same sentence, any given browser tab is running a large piece of complex software written entirely in JavaScript with no performance testing.
- hu3 4y ago
  I just checked the tabs. 2 google searches, 4 stack overflow, spotify, azure devops git repo with a medium sized file opened. None of which are CPU intensive according to Chrome task manager. So yes, they are "just" some tabs. Intel macs are notorious for being literal hot screamers. I read similar complains frequently on HN.

Doctor_Fegg 4y ago

You’re not wrong that they’re bad machines, but nothing at all stresses them like Teams. Xcode, Zoom, Adobe CS? All fine. Teams? Just don’t even try.

bbkane 4y ago

Yes Apple has really disappointed me with their push to make native software difficult to built for their platforms. They're deprecating common 3rd party native libraries (OpenGL), their own native tools (kernel extensions - admittedly rarely needed), and making it difficult to do CI/CD for MacOS (no VMs).