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You'd hope the company would care. But on the other hand I suppose it'd be you being scammed not them. As harsh as it seems, that's probably why they don't care

You'd hope the company would care. But on the other hand I suppose it'd be you being scammed not them. As harsh as it seems, that's probably why they don't care.

ghaff 4y ago
And it would probably be a hassle for the HR person to reach out to legal, answer various questions, and deal with it. Not their job, not their problem, not a great attitude either--but so it goes.
- leaflets2 4y ago
  How do you arrange incentive structures so that people in the company who get such emails, want to do something about it -- and, so others in the company (eg legal) want to, too? (Without messing up other things the company is doing)
  - ghaff 4y ago
    Fundamentally, it's culture. But even under the best of circumstances it's still hard to get people to care about things that they're not being measured on or rewarded for.
    - leaflets2 4y ago
      Maybe the execs and CEOs can try to be examples Rewarded... Maybe profit sharing? Then could pay back to do what's good for the company?
mden 4y ago
Or more explicitly the people who would see the message would have no incentive to do anything about it as it would likely add more work for them with no gain. I think this is in part a result of all work "efficiency" optimizations and the exact performance metrics that come with them that have been applied to many workers in the past decade or so.
- leaflets2 4y ago
  > would have no incentive Look: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32094120 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32094120 I asked how to fix that (what are your thoughts?)
  - mden 4y ago
    You need employees to care about their employer. This won't happen if the employer doesn't care about the employees first. I am not sure how true this is but I have a feeling a lot of the issues come from already successful businesses hiring MBAs who find and push for these worker optimizations that drive short term profits at the cost of eroding employee loyalty and company values. So maybe at the company level execs need to push back on viewing their employees as soulless automatons that need to be optimized. And at the nation level it would help if people didn't view continuous employment as vital to survival and separating health care from the employer (specific to the US) is a necessary step imo.
    - leaflets2 4y ago
      > need employees to care about their employer. This won't happen if the employer doesn't care about the employees first I'd like to try that :-) (among some other things, like profit sharing for everyone, so that doing what's good for the company is good for oneself)

You'd hope the company would care. But on the other hand I suppose it'd be you being scammed not them. As harsh as it seems, that's probably why they don't care.

ghaff 4y ago

And it would probably be a hassle for the HR person to reach out to legal, answer various questions, and deal with it. Not their job, not their problem, not a great attitude either--but so it goes.

leaflets2 4y ago
How do you arrange incentive structures so that people in the company who get such emails, want to do something about it -- and, so others in the company (eg legal) want to, too? (Without messing up other things the company is doing)
- ghaff 4y ago
  Fundamentally, it's culture. But even under the best of circumstances it's still hard to get people to care about things that they're not being measured on or rewarded for.
  - leaflets2 4y ago
    Maybe the execs and CEOs can try to be examples Rewarded... Maybe profit sharing? Then could pay back to do what's good for the company?

mden 4y ago

Or more explicitly the people who would see the message would have no incentive to do anything about it as it would likely add more work for them with no gain. I think this is in part a result of all work "efficiency" optimizations and the exact performance metrics that come with them that have been applied to many workers in the past decade or so.

leaflets2 4y ago
> would have no incentive Look: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32094120 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32094120 I asked how to fix that (what are your thoughts?)
- mden 4y ago
  You need employees to care about their employer. This won't happen if the employer doesn't care about the employees first. I am not sure how true this is but I have a feeling a lot of the issues come from already successful businesses hiring MBAs who find and push for these worker optimizations that drive short term profits at the cost of eroding employee loyalty and company values. So maybe at the company level execs need to push back on viewing their employees as soulless automatons that need to be optimized. And at the nation level it would help if people didn't view continuous employment as vital to survival and separating health care from the employer (specific to the US) is a necessary step imo.
  - leaflets2 4y ago
    > need employees to care about their employer. This won't happen if the employer doesn't care about the employees first I'd like to try that :-) (among some other things, like profit sharing for everyone, so that doing what's good for the company is good for oneself)