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Teams will literally crash my 16 inch i9 Macbook Pro (2021). Failing that, it will drain the battery in an hour or two (even when nothing is happening on teams)

Teams will literally crash my 16 inch i9 Macbook Pro (2021). Failing that, it will drain the battery in an hour or two (even when nothing is happening on teams). God forbid I try to copy or paste some text on teams... Teams is an absolutely garbage app and platform....on a good day

_fat_santa 4y ago
My company uses Teams (thank god for meetings only, we use Slack for chat) but it's become a running joke of sorts that I have to "drop for memory". At least once a week I'll be in the middle of the meeting and have to say: "sorry I have to drop and join again, Teams is eating my memory". For context I have a 16" MBP, i7, 16GB RAM.
edgefield 4y ago
Teams chat seems to work fine on my 2021 MacBook Pro with M1 processor. We typically use zoom for video calls. MS Outlook on the other hand frequently crashes. Maybe there’s a memory leak issue?
- tapanjk 4y ago
  > MS Outlook on the other hand frequently crashes. Maybe there’s a memory leak issue? Off-topic but I need to get this off my chest: Outlook on the web is a much better experience than the native app on the Mac.
  - vladvasiliu 4y ago
    I don't know if the native app on the Mac is the same as the Windows one, but the latter is absolute crap. It's sooo laggy. Sure, I don't have a 64 core thread ripper or other ridiculous CPU, but even on my 11th gen i7 work laptop, the webapp runs circles around the native app. Even on Firefox on Linux. However, they must have caught wind of this, because there have been some "improvements" recently, where they reduced the vertical screen space with an empty menu line, and it also feels a bit less snappy than before.
  - antgiant 4y ago
    And the parent comment’s suggestion works with it to. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32085044 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32085044
- gnicholas 4y ago
  My wife uses Outlook (but not Teams) on her 2021 M1 MBP and there is some sort of leak. Her SSD fills up with swap files or something, and restarting gives her back 90GB of space. Literally. It is crazy. I don't know if it's Outlook though. I have similar issues with my Intel MBP, and I don't use Outlook. I slowly drain from 20GB available down to 2, and then I have to restart. It's like living in the early 2000's, restarting all the time.
onetimeusename 4y ago
It works fine on Windows so you and your team will just have to switch to Windows on your PCs in order to continue using Microsoft's Office 365... /sarcasm
- lostlogin 4y ago
  > It works fine on Windows No it doesn’t. Video calls are worse than Skype or Google meets. The Word thing in Teams is buggy, ‘open in app’ leads to better behaviour but you can end up in version hell. The online Word version doesn’t do the same things as Teams Word or the native app. As a test, try moving a picture or editing a footer.
- deleted 4y ago
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- bobkazamakis 4y ago
  >It works fine on Windows like hell it does. crashes all the time. I actually had a better experience with it on Mac more often than Windows.
- hbn 4y ago
  All the developers at my company have Macs and everyone else is given Windows laptops (mostly Surface Laptops and Pros) The Windows people have WAY more issues. The Mac experience isn't great but not nearly as bad as the Windows users.
- swasheck 4y ago
  if i have the app open for longer than 4 hours the memory footprint bloats to 6GB. it's absurd. using the msedge webapp i _only_ bloat to about 2GB. edit: on my win10 machine
lkois 4y ago
Am I the only person who likes teams? My company uses it heavily for text and video chats and I think it's pretty great, and don't get the bugs and slow performance issues of others. I wouldn't call it snappy, but still fine, and makes communications very easy. I'm using a surface laptop 3. Maybe MS did the apple thing of making software that only works properly on their own hardware
- neogodless 4y ago
  I don't feel strongly one way or another. As another said, the dismissing of notifications is onerous. But I have no issues with performance, and no apparent bugginess either. No Surface here - custom AMD Ryzen / AMD Radeon desktop. Windows 10 Pro.
- the_jeremy 4y ago
  search feature is horrendous. Very difficult to remind yourself about something you know you talked about person X with.
  - sgerenser 4y ago
    I work for Microsoft (not on Teams). I actually don’t mind Teams much, it does the job and doesn’t seem much worse than Slack. But the crappy search is absolutely my biggest pet peeve.
    - InitialLastName 4y ago
      For being descended from (and forcibly superseding) what was once the genericized trademark for video chat (Skype), it's pretty egregious that "not much worse than Slack" is the best Microsoft can do.
    - jiggawatts 4y ago
      All Microsoft products have terrible search, Teams isn’t exceptional in this regard. If you work at Microsoft, and have any influence on the WinDev team, please tell them that the Start menu search is simply shameful. There hasn’t been a single major Windows release — server or client — capable of consistently, reliably, and correctly finding start menu items. Worse, every major release is broken in new and creative ways. This is especially true for a fresh install, because apparently a 64-core server needs several days to index 500 KB of text. (Microsoft support told me this with a straight face, almost verbatim.) Seriously, what is that team doing!? Is this the same code that’s in Outlook and Teams search too? It feels like it…
tuwtuwtuwtuw 4y ago
Not sure if I understand you properly, but if the entire operating system crashes due to one malfunctioning app then it sounds like a serious bug in the OS, right? I don't use Mac myself but these days the operating system is supposed to continue running even if some specific app does something stupid.
dham 4y ago
To be fair any app will crash the last Intel macs. They're probably one of the slowest computers in existence. You have to run fan control at full blast for it to even be usable.
- int_19h 4y ago
  How does "slowest" translate to a crash?
anotheracctfo 4y ago
It isn't just a Mac issue. I had a i9 / 64GB Ram windows laptop which turned into a furnace when I ran teams. I've been doing a lot of work on the couch over the pandemic and it was too hot to set on my lap. I have since switched to a M1 macbook and it heats up too, but at least the processor is efficient so it doesn't become uncomfortable. These issues simply did not happen on either laptop with Zoom. Teams is simply a horribly written piece of crapware. MS should be ashamed of themselves.

_fat_santa 4y ago

My company uses Teams (thank god for meetings only, we use Slack for chat) but it's become a running joke of sorts that I have to "drop for memory". At least once a week I'll be in the middle of the meeting and have to say: "sorry I have to drop and join again, Teams is eating my memory". For context I have a 16" MBP, i7, 16GB RAM.

edgefield 4y ago

Teams chat seems to work fine on my 2021 MacBook Pro with M1 processor. We typically use zoom for video calls. MS Outlook on the other hand frequently crashes. Maybe there’s a memory leak issue?

tapanjk 4y ago
> MS Outlook on the other hand frequently crashes. Maybe there’s a memory leak issue? Off-topic but I need to get this off my chest: Outlook on the web is a much better experience than the native app on the Mac.
- vladvasiliu 4y ago
  I don't know if the native app on the Mac is the same as the Windows one, but the latter is absolute crap. It's sooo laggy. Sure, I don't have a 64 core thread ripper or other ridiculous CPU, but even on my 11th gen i7 work laptop, the webapp runs circles around the native app. Even on Firefox on Linux. However, they must have caught wind of this, because there have been some "improvements" recently, where they reduced the vertical screen space with an empty menu line, and it also feels a bit less snappy than before.
- antgiant 4y ago
  And the parent comment’s suggestion works with it to. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32085044 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32085044
gnicholas 4y ago
My wife uses Outlook (but not Teams) on her 2021 M1 MBP and there is some sort of leak. Her SSD fills up with swap files or something, and restarting gives her back 90GB of space. Literally. It is crazy. I don't know if it's Outlook though. I have similar issues with my Intel MBP, and I don't use Outlook. I slowly drain from 20GB available down to 2, and then I have to restart. It's like living in the early 2000's, restarting all the time.

onetimeusename 4y ago

It works fine on Windows so you and your team will just have to switch to Windows on your PCs in order to continue using Microsoft's Office 365... /sarcasm

lostlogin 4y ago
> It works fine on Windows No it doesn’t. Video calls are worse than Skype or Google meets. The Word thing in Teams is buggy, ‘open in app’ leads to better behaviour but you can end up in version hell. The online Word version doesn’t do the same things as Teams Word or the native app. As a test, try moving a picture or editing a footer.
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bobkazamakis 4y ago
>It works fine on Windows like hell it does. crashes all the time. I actually had a better experience with it on Mac more often than Windows.
hbn 4y ago
All the developers at my company have Macs and everyone else is given Windows laptops (mostly Surface Laptops and Pros) The Windows people have WAY more issues. The Mac experience isn't great but not nearly as bad as the Windows users.
swasheck 4y ago
if i have the app open for longer than 4 hours the memory footprint bloats to 6GB. it's absurd. using the msedge webapp i _only_ bloat to about 2GB. edit: on my win10 machine

lkois 4y ago

Am I the only person who likes teams? My company uses it heavily for text and video chats and I think it's pretty great, and don't get the bugs and slow performance issues of others. I wouldn't call it snappy, but still fine, and makes communications very easy. I'm using a surface laptop 3. Maybe MS did the apple thing of making software that only works properly on their own hardware

neogodless 4y ago
I don't feel strongly one way or another. As another said, the dismissing of notifications is onerous. But I have no issues with performance, and no apparent bugginess either. No Surface here - custom AMD Ryzen / AMD Radeon desktop. Windows 10 Pro.
the_jeremy 4y ago
search feature is horrendous. Very difficult to remind yourself about something you know you talked about person X with.
- sgerenser 4y ago
  I work for Microsoft (not on Teams). I actually don’t mind Teams much, it does the job and doesn’t seem much worse than Slack. But the crappy search is absolutely my biggest pet peeve.
  - InitialLastName 4y ago
    For being descended from (and forcibly superseding) what was once the genericized trademark for video chat (Skype), it's pretty egregious that "not much worse than Slack" is the best Microsoft can do.
  - jiggawatts 4y ago
    All Microsoft products have terrible search, Teams isn’t exceptional in this regard. If you work at Microsoft, and have any influence on the WinDev team, please tell them that the Start menu search is simply shameful. There hasn’t been a single major Windows release — server or client — capable of consistently, reliably, and correctly finding start menu items. Worse, every major release is broken in new and creative ways. This is especially true for a fresh install, because apparently a 64-core server needs several days to index 500 KB of text. (Microsoft support told me this with a straight face, almost verbatim.) Seriously, what is that team doing!? Is this the same code that’s in Outlook and Teams search too? It feels like it…

tuwtuwtuwtuw 4y ago

Not sure if I understand you properly, but if the entire operating system crashes due to one malfunctioning app then it sounds like a serious bug in the OS, right? I don't use Mac myself but these days the operating system is supposed to continue running even if some specific app does something stupid.

dham 4y ago

To be fair any app will crash the last Intel macs. They're probably one of the slowest computers in existence. You have to run fan control at full blast for it to even be usable.

int_19h 4y ago
How does "slowest" translate to a crash?

anotheracctfo 4y ago

It isn't just a Mac issue. I had a i9 / 64GB Ram windows laptop which turned into a furnace when I ran teams. I've been doing a lot of work on the couch over the pandemic and it was too hot to set on my lap. I have since switched to a M1 macbook and it heats up too, but at least the processor is efficient so it doesn't become uncomfortable. These issues simply did not happen on either laptop with Zoom. Teams is simply a horribly written piece of crapware. MS should be ashamed of themselves.