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I can retype my reply if you like, or you could reread it. Government leaders at every level invested real money, time, and effort in building actual infrastruc

by titzer 4y ago

I can retype my reply if you like, or you could reread it. Government leaders at every level invested real money, time, and effort in building actual infrastructure. They did actual work, you know, planning, studying, proposing, designing, discussing, approving plans and projects, funding actual projects, building actual projects, deploying actual projects. They didn't just adjust a few numbers on paper. They are doing the logistics to accomplish the goals they set out. Funnily enough, things happen when you do them instead of hoping others will.

lotsofpulp 4y ago
Government leaders were elected to do that work because the voters wanted the government leaders to invest real money, time, and effort in building actual infrastructure. People in the US are going to vote for a 16 lane highway so their individual cars can go faster, they are not going to vote for a train to replace some of the demand for the 16 lane highway. > Funnily enough, things happen when you do them instead of hoping others will. That is not how allocating tens of billions or trillions of taxpayer dollars works in the US. You have to have the sufficient votes in the legislature to “do things”.
- titzer 4y ago
  Well I'm gonna stop responding because you keep editing your comments to significantly expand and make different points, so everything is a moving target. (I tinker with comments too sometimes but I am trying to keep it to just minor clarifications). > That is not how allocating tens of billions or trillions of taxpayer dollars works in the US Of course this is oversimplified FUD, but I was under the impression that we were talking about the relative merits and effectiveness of policies designed to result in "electrified infrastructure" and it is absolutely clear that your original assertion of tinkering with taxes does not and never has worked except as part of an actual plan.
TMWNN 4y ago
>Government leaders at every level invested real money, time, and effort in building actual infrastructure. These are the same leaders who, when Trump at the UN warned four years ago that Germany is endangering itself by increasing dependence on Russia, laughed on camera (<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FfJv9QYrlwgepe https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FfJv9QYrlwgepe>). Germany is now facing the consequences of the greatest mistake its leaders have made in 80 years, an existential threat to the German (and thus European) economy and even nation-state. You know this. Yet you instead lecture the USA—home of Tesla—on how ACKSHUALLY it need to build more e-infrastructure. The mind boggles.

by titzer 4y ago

lotsofpulp 4y ago

Government leaders were elected to do that work because the voters wanted the government leaders to invest real money, time, and effort in building actual infrastructure. People in the US are going to vote for a 16 lane highway so their individual cars can go faster, they are not going to vote for a train to replace some of the demand for the 16 lane highway. > Funnily enough, things happen when you do them instead of hoping others will. That is not how allocating tens of billions or trillions of taxpayer dollars works in the US. You have to have the sufficient votes in the legislature to “do things”.

titzer 4y ago
Well I'm gonna stop responding because you keep editing your comments to significantly expand and make different points, so everything is a moving target. (I tinker with comments too sometimes but I am trying to keep it to just minor clarifications). > That is not how allocating tens of billions or trillions of taxpayer dollars works in the US Of course this is oversimplified FUD, but I was under the impression that we were talking about the relative merits and effectiveness of policies designed to result in "electrified infrastructure" and it is absolutely clear that your original assertion of tinkering with taxes does not and never has worked except as part of an actual plan.

TMWNN 4y ago

>Government leaders at every level invested real money, time, and effort in building actual infrastructure. These are the same leaders who, when Trump at the UN warned four years ago that Germany is endangering itself by increasing dependence on Russia, laughed on camera (<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FfJv9QYrlwgepe https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FfJv9QYrlwgepe>). Germany is now facing the consequences of the greatest mistake its leaders have made in 80 years, an existential threat to the German (and thus European) economy and even nation-state. You know this. Yet you instead lecture the USA—home of Tesla—on how ACKSHUALLY it need to build more e-infrastructure. The mind boggles.