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While I agree with the premise of finite energy and resources here, I don't agree that current systems are an inherent consequence of it. It's the way we as soc

While I agree with the premise of finite energy and resources here, I don't agree that current systems are an inherent consequence of it. It's the way we as societies have allowed things to be structured. They don't have to be structured in such a way. Energy and resources have various allocation models that can be adopted, we just seem to be moving right back to the darwinistic models more and more which makes me question the stability of societies in general, especially as allocation systems tend to deviate away from natural allocation systems yet remain darwinistic. If we continue along competitive models for allocation to the end, we're right back where humans started before forming societies except in an articicial darwinistic model which I'd say people are increasingly rejecting, so we need to start thinking a bit more about more equitable allocation systems than we currently have. Right now, I'd say the general population is pretty fed up with existing allocation systems.

lotsofpulp 4y ago
> While I agree with the premise of finite energy and resources here, I don't agree that current systems are an inherent consequence of it. It's the way we as societies have allowed things to be structured. They don't have to be structured in such a way. Yes, I do not see a problem with capitalism coexisting with a wealth transfer mechanism to constantly “reset” the game a little bit to prevent extreme disparities. Well, other than the fact that humans would have to allow it to occur.
- Bloating 4y ago
  Any attempts to do that generally end-up with the smaller business owners being "reset" by the .1%, while the W2 class drink kool-aid
andsoitis 4y ago
> If we continue along competitive models for allocation to the end Competition is a very strong motivator for progress. Even if you didn’t embed it formally within a society, I bet it would very quickly arise and build upon itself.
- marvin 4y ago
  Anti-competitive practices are the cornerstone of unregulated societies (via mafias), but it certainly would in the (theoretical) absence of that. It's a fundamental property of entities that try to achieve things, of which humans are the prime example.
- Frost1x 4y ago
  You can still have competition and create competitive forces that drive and motivate people, they don't have to be tightly coupled to fundamental energy and material resources needed for survival, or, they can follow classic models that assume necessary baselines for enjoyable survival levels for everyone and then provide luxury allocations for competitive successes. There's all sorts of options out there instead of directly mirroring natural selection in abstract human created systems.

lotsofpulp 4y ago

> While I agree with the premise of finite energy and resources here, I don't agree that current systems are an inherent consequence of it. It's the way we as societies have allowed things to be structured. They don't have to be structured in such a way. Yes, I do not see a problem with capitalism coexisting with a wealth transfer mechanism to constantly “reset” the game a little bit to prevent extreme disparities. Well, other than the fact that humans would have to allow it to occur.

Bloating 4y ago
Any attempts to do that generally end-up with the smaller business owners being "reset" by the .1%, while the W2 class drink kool-aid

andsoitis 4y ago

> If we continue along competitive models for allocation to the end Competition is a very strong motivator for progress. Even if you didn’t embed it formally within a society, I bet it would very quickly arise and build upon itself.

marvin 4y ago
Anti-competitive practices are the cornerstone of unregulated societies (via mafias), but it certainly would in the (theoretical) absence of that. It's a fundamental property of entities that try to achieve things, of which humans are the prime example.
Frost1x 4y ago
You can still have competition and create competitive forces that drive and motivate people, they don't have to be tightly coupled to fundamental energy and material resources needed for survival, or, they can follow classic models that assume necessary baselines for enjoyable survival levels for everyone and then provide luxury allocations for competitive successes. There's all sorts of options out there instead of directly mirroring natural selection in abstract human created systems.