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> a fictional crime wave Do you live here in SF? Because I doubt anyone who lives here would agree about the crime wave being "fictional", unless they live in

> a fictional crime wave Do you live here in SF? Because I doubt anyone who lives here would agree about the crime wave being "fictional", unless they live in a sufficiently ritzy neighborhood where they are well-insulated from the obvious effects.

jzoch 4y ago
There is no crime wave. I’m an SF resident and lived in SOMA for much of Covid. This is mostly manufactured BS and does not justify surveillance by an irresponsible police force who can’t solve the crimes they see happen in front of their own faces
- newfriend 4y ago
  Let me guess, you lived in a modern high rise apartment/condo? I've lived here for more than 10 years and have personally witnessed more crime in the past 2 years than I had ever seen before. No one is "manufacturing" this. There's a reason the DA was recalled, and it's not because SF residents were "tricked by Republicans". Police are of course part of this, but are prosecutors, and lawmakers. You can be pedantic and say there's no "crime wave", but there is absolutely a discernible increase in crime.
throwawaysf1234 4y ago
I live in SF. In the Tenderloin specifically where all this excitement seems to be about. Hence the throwaway. There is no crime wave. There is a lot of drug use and mental illness visible on the streets in two small neighborhoods in the entire city. The Tenderloin and Soma which wrap the now, post covid, more vacant downtown. The rest of the city is as clean and safe as ever. Here’s the real thing to consider. I’m sure you, like most people that voted to remove the DA and support this insane surveillance initiative, do not live in the affected neighborhoods. You won’t be now subjected to 24 hour police surveillance just for the crime of living in the wrong zip code like myself and my neighbors will. We tried broken windows policing for 30 years. And all it did was balloon the criminal records of young males who were unlucky enough to live in the zip codes and neighborhoods that received the majority of police attention in cities throughout the country. Leave my neighborhood alone. If you want to live in a 24 hour police state, enable it for your neighborhood first. The reality is that once downtown recovers from the office vacancies caused by the covid remote work shift, things will return to normal. With or without putting me under 24 hour surveillance.
- newfriend 4y ago
  > There is no crime wave. People who live in this city disagree with you. See the DA recall. > There is a lot of drug use and mental illness visible on the streets in two small neighborhoods in the entire city. The Tenderloin and Soma which wrap the now, post covid, more vacant downtown. And Mission, and Haight, and countless other areas. Sure some of these are not absolute disaster areas like some of the others, but I think you've become far too accustomed to the utter disgustingness of much of the city. > The rest of the city is as clean and safe as ever. That's not saying much. Don't worry, Pac Heights and Mission Bay are nice and clean! > Here’s the real thing to consider. I’m sure you, like most people that voted to remove the DA and support this insane surveillance initiative, do not live in the affected neighborhoods. You won’t be now subjected to 24 hour police surveillance just for the crime of living in the wrong zip code like myself and my neighbors will. I live close enough to the Tenderloin to be affected by it daily, and yes I'm very happy the insane DA was recalled. > We tried broken windows policing for 30 years. And all it did was balloon the criminal records of young males who were unlucky enough to live in the zip codes and neighborhoods that received the majority of police attention in cities throughout the country. Oh please. We've been coddling criminals here for decades. There is massive amounts of crime here because criminals know that they can act with impunity. > The reality is that once downtown recovers from the office vacancies caused by the covid remote work shift, things will return to normal. With or without putting me under 24 hour surveillance. People have been complaining about how dirty the city is, and the crazy drug-abusing homeless for a long time at this point. It would be nice if we could improve on that instead of going back to that.
morelisp 4y ago
I lived in the Bay Area and spent a decent chunk of time in SF. I left because I wanted to be in SF, not Singapore with extra wildfires that the current ruling party wants.

jzoch 4y ago

There is no crime wave. I’m an SF resident and lived in SOMA for much of Covid. This is mostly manufactured BS and does not justify surveillance by an irresponsible police force who can’t solve the crimes they see happen in front of their own faces

newfriend 4y ago
Let me guess, you lived in a modern high rise apartment/condo? I've lived here for more than 10 years and have personally witnessed more crime in the past 2 years than I had ever seen before. No one is "manufacturing" this. There's a reason the DA was recalled, and it's not because SF residents were "tricked by Republicans". Police are of course part of this, but are prosecutors, and lawmakers. You can be pedantic and say there's no "crime wave", but there is absolutely a discernible increase in crime.

throwawaysf1234 4y ago

I live in SF. In the Tenderloin specifically where all this excitement seems to be about. Hence the throwaway. There is no crime wave. There is a lot of drug use and mental illness visible on the streets in two small neighborhoods in the entire city. The Tenderloin and Soma which wrap the now, post covid, more vacant downtown. The rest of the city is as clean and safe as ever. Here’s the real thing to consider. I’m sure you, like most people that voted to remove the DA and support this insane surveillance initiative, do not live in the affected neighborhoods. You won’t be now subjected to 24 hour police surveillance just for the crime of living in the wrong zip code like myself and my neighbors will. We tried broken windows policing for 30 years. And all it did was balloon the criminal records of young males who were unlucky enough to live in the zip codes and neighborhoods that received the majority of police attention in cities throughout the country. Leave my neighborhood alone. If you want to live in a 24 hour police state, enable it for your neighborhood first. The reality is that once downtown recovers from the office vacancies caused by the covid remote work shift, things will return to normal. With or without putting me under 24 hour surveillance.

newfriend 4y ago
> There is no crime wave. People who live in this city disagree with you. See the DA recall. > There is a lot of drug use and mental illness visible on the streets in two small neighborhoods in the entire city. The Tenderloin and Soma which wrap the now, post covid, more vacant downtown. And Mission, and Haight, and countless other areas. Sure some of these are not absolute disaster areas like some of the others, but I think you've become far too accustomed to the utter disgustingness of much of the city. > The rest of the city is as clean and safe as ever. That's not saying much. Don't worry, Pac Heights and Mission Bay are nice and clean! > Here’s the real thing to consider. I’m sure you, like most people that voted to remove the DA and support this insane surveillance initiative, do not live in the affected neighborhoods. You won’t be now subjected to 24 hour police surveillance just for the crime of living in the wrong zip code like myself and my neighbors will. I live close enough to the Tenderloin to be affected by it daily, and yes I'm very happy the insane DA was recalled. > We tried broken windows policing for 30 years. And all it did was balloon the criminal records of young males who were unlucky enough to live in the zip codes and neighborhoods that received the majority of police attention in cities throughout the country. Oh please. We've been coddling criminals here for decades. There is massive amounts of crime here because criminals know that they can act with impunity. > The reality is that once downtown recovers from the office vacancies caused by the covid remote work shift, things will return to normal. With or without putting me under 24 hour surveillance. People have been complaining about how dirty the city is, and the crazy drug-abusing homeless for a long time at this point. It would be nice if we could improve on that instead of going back to that.

morelisp 4y ago

I lived in the Bay Area and spent a decent chunk of time in SF. I left because I wanted to be in SF, not Singapore with extra wildfires that the current ruling party wants.