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Microsoft Validation OS
- jaclaz 4y agoFrom early tests/impressions it seems to be very "narrow" in functionalities, with some basic/needed ones are (at the moment) missing or not working properly: https://msfn.org/board/topic/183672-windows-11-validation-os-first-impressions/ https://msfn.org/board/topic/183672-windows-11-validation-os... All in all it seems like an early Beta of something that could become useful.
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- BoppreH 4y ago> The cd command is also buggy: It doesn't work for directories located on CD/DVD drives (You can however still access content on CD/DVD using direct paths): > cd d:\ That's not a bug, is it? `cd` requires the `/d` flag to switch drives, or you can just type the drive letter name. https://superuser.com/questions/135214/using-cd-command-in-windows-command-line-cant-navigate-to-d https://superuser.com/questions/135214/using-cd-command-in-w...
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- duffyjp 4y agoLast night I tried updating some Wifi drivers on Windows 10, and clicking the classic "Have Disk" button defaulted to A:\
- blowski 4y agoI remember changing the A: to Z: and feeling like some hacker genius.
- 2143 4y agoSigned, Federation of Linux & Unix (incl. Mac) users (I don't know the scheme in Plan9, Solaris etc)
- Aloha 4y agoSolaris is Unix for the purposes of this discussion.
- chrisfinazzo 4y agoSince you brought it up, what’s the output of uname -a on Solaris 11?
- Aloha 4y agoI think it'd be SunOS something 5.11
- vorpalhex 4y agoThis is the Posix standard which also includes BSD et al.
- jordemort 4y agoYeah, in DOS & Windows, each drive has its own working directory. "cd d:\" changes the working directory for D: but keeps the current drive as C: # Change directory C:\> cd WINDOWS # Switch drive C:\WINDOWS> D: # Change directory again D:\> cd DATA # Switch drive again D:\DATA> C: # It remembered that we were in WINDOWS on C: C:\WINDOWS> # Change directory on D: C:\WINDOWS> cd D:\POTATO # That didn't change the directory for our shell C:\WINDOWS> # Switch over to D: C:\WINDOWS> D: # It did change the directory for D:, though D:\POTATO>
- cesarb 4y ago> Yeah, in DOS & Windows, each drive has its own working directory. On Windows, no, it doesn't, it's an illusion maintained by CMD using environment variables, for compatibility with DOS. Quoting Raymond Chen (https://devblogs.microsoft.com/oldnewthing/20100506-00/?p=14133 https://devblogs.microsoft.com/oldnewthing/20100506-00/?p=14...): "Win32 does not have the concept of a separate current directory for each drive, but the command processor wanted to preserve the old MS-DOS behavior because people were accustomed to it (and batch files relied upon it). The solution was to store this “per-drive current directory” in the environment, using a weird-o environment variable name so it wouldn’t conflict with normal environment variables."
- mynameisvlad 4y agoI mean, functionally the parent comment is accurate. There is a working directory kept for each drive. Just because in Windows it's done using environment variables doesn't mean that the net experience isn't "each drive has a working directory".
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- skissane 4y ago> I mean, functionally the parent comment is accurate. Not really-this is something only cmd.exe does-not the Windows APIs, not any other Windows program (well, any other program could support the same undocumented environment variables as cmd.exe does, but very few do-I’m not aware of any). If someone mistakenly thinks this is how Windows works, as opposed to only one small component of it, they are going to get confused at some point.
- malkia 4y agojust use "pushd" instead of "cd" - as bonus you get directories saved to stack that you can "popd", much like unix.
- malkia 4y agoI often start my .bat/.cmd files with @echo off pushd "%~dp0" e.g. no matter from where, ensure that the current folder is the folder of the .bat/.cmd file
- c0nsumer 4y agoThis thing is literally made for running, say, a very specialized application that does manufacturer-level hardware testing/validation, likely in an automated fashion, spitting the result out to the display, network, etc. Looking at this as an interactive shell/OS to be used directly is thinking about it the wrong way.
- dusted 4y agoI was kinda hoping something like a windows kernel that booted to a cmd window and let me install directx and steam..
- sixothree 4y agoKinda like Windows Server Core but for client GUI Windows would be nice. I feel like Windows Professional isn't really professional enough for my taste. The included features lack and the defaults are awful.
- BlinkenBlinken 4y agoAlas, this is not Windows XP Embedded. Microsoft regressed from this along time ago.
- JusticeJuice 4y agoI've been trying to game on mac via a VM (I know I know don't say it), and one option is to take a windows 11 ARM build, and strip everything out of it. It works....okay.
- tombert 4y agoI actually game on a Mac and have had fairly good luck with VMWare Fusion. Granted, I'm not playing the cutting-edge stuff, but I just finished Typing of the Dead: Overkill entirely inside a VM with no apparent problems. I have an i9 CPU, purchased the Macbook about a month before the M1 was announced. I'm actually a bit surprised though; what's the compatibility like in the ARM build of Windows 11?
- PicardsFlute 4y agoIts decent. Forget about any modern DX12 games, but I can count on one hand the number of games that have not worked properly outside of that. Considering the type of games I play now-a-days, it's not too terrible of a loss to be honest. If I am in the mood for something that doesn't work or more modern than say The Witcher 3, I just boot up the desktop in windows. Its like the best of everything: I don't have to use the hell that is Windows 11 for general computing and I can treat the desktop as a compute server when I am crunching numbers.
- userbinator 4y agoLooking at the EULA, it contains software may collect information about you and your use of the software, and send that to Microsoft. ...and judging from the other comment here, it appears to be nothing more than a kernel and a command prompt, yet the download is nearly 340MB. Did they strip out everything else, but still leave the spyware in?
- pjc50 4y agoJudging by https://msfn.org/board/topic/183672-windows-11-validation-os-first-impressions/ https://msfn.org/board/topic/183672-windows-11-validation-os..., there's the GUI and a number of its subsystems in there.
- cl0ckt0wer 4y agoIf you haven't seen the Windows version of "command line only", it's kinda funny: https://youtu.be/wUTW7Z9p6tY?t=347 https://youtu.be/wUTW7Z9p6tY?t=347
- kevingadd 4y agoMakes some amount of sense to do it this way, since that probably means you get things like adjusting the font size or launching accessibility tools bundled in with the graphical frontend + conhost instance. Otherwise that stuff would have to be reimplemented for a 'true console only' mode
- ocdtrekkie 4y agoThere's a handful of literal GUIs that load too, for instance, setting the date and time or using task manager. There's some literal GUI screens present... just not many. Note that there is an even more stripped down version of Windows Server without all of these GUI elements: Nano Server! It has no local logon capability at all. https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-server/get-started/getting-started-with-nano-server https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-server/get-started/...
- jaboutboul 4y agoWindows Minimal Install ISO!
- eddieroger 4y ago> Validation OS boots into a Command Line environment to increase reliability on the factory floor and supports running Win32 apps This is the kind of comment that probably will get downvoted here, but it feels pretty weird to be old enough to remember when booting to a command line was normal, and now it's seen as a feature. It's easy to forget when Windows was the shell, not the OS, and that it was simpler and easier on the system to boot to a minimal state and allow the user to escalate from there.
- tizio13 4y agoHonestly, I can totally relate to this feeling. While reading that same line, I was taken back to being a kid and having to install Windows this way. It's amazing how much time and advancement can make what used to be normal, feel nostalgic. I'm glad to see this kind of "Feature" come back around. Everything that is old will be new again some day.
- newsclues 4y agoWhat blew my mind is that a generation of kids that rely on Google drives and chromebooks don’t know what directory and file structures are
- eloisius 4y agoAnd even people opining that it’s time to do away with them.
- corrral 4y agoA high percentages of users don't and never did understand file trees and how to navigate them. They find their files by rote repetition and spatial memory. This is how people end up with desktops covered in files and directories—that's how they find stuff, and the notion you can start in one of those directories and move around until you're in one of their other on-the-desktop directories is foreign. It "is" in a particular place on their desktop, in their mind.
- unboxingelf 4y agoWould love a Microsoft Gaming OS where I could run a browser, steam, and nothing else.
- jabroni_salad 4y agoyou mean the xbox?
- unboxingelf 4y agocan xbox run on my own hardware?
- chaosmachine 4y agohttps://xemu.app/ https://xemu.app/
- whiteboardr 4y agoI checked unboxingelf’s question for the word “vintage” - negative ; )
- nicce 4y agoJust wait a little longer and Arch Linux can do that for you because of the Steam Deck. Game support is already good.
- naikrovek 4y ago> Game support is already good. And, unfortunately, very far from complete. It is a good direction, however, and I am encouraged by it.
- greggsy 4y agoI mean, you could just log into your pc and just run a browser, steam, and nothing else.
- p_l 4y agoThis looks to me a bit like second coming of Windows Server Nano edition
- ntauthority 4y agoIt's a different composition, this seems to be a derivative of some 'CloudCore' product used internally with Azure, with layered compositions affectionately named 'run levels' (the full GUI boot also known as ClientCore is apparently '3', but '2' would be a console-only boot like Nano Server). There's an interesting 'hello and enjoy' text file left in here describing this run level: HELLO! The OS is booted to RunLevel 3 (CLIENTCORE). Services are STARTED at this run level. All OneCore compliant apps can run. GUI apps (that depend on user32 and gdi only) can run. Run 'memstat' to see memory usage. Run 'tlist -s' to see running processes and services. 'njoy.
- yjftsjthsd-h 4y agoOkay, that's hilarious; did MS intentionally recreate sysv service management, or did they independently arrive at the same place with the same name?
- ntauthority 4y agoBy 'affectionately named', I rather think someone thought it sounded cool to name it such. Perhaps CloudCore proper allows 'upgrading' a running system to the 'Win3' composition in case one would want to run GUI diagnostics, but other than that the run level terminology doesn't mean much as it's rather a distinction made at image staging time.
- HeckFeck 4y agoinit.d is back, baby! Windows is certified SystemD-free :D
- easton 4y agoThe previous version of this, Factory OS, ran all of the Win32 apps in a microVM (which was the planned functionality for Windows 10X), while UWP apps could run natively. I wonder if this does something similar or if that was dropped. (I spent some time trying to figure out how the VM is created to see if something like that could be done in regular Windows, but much of it is undocumented. Being able to only run one Windows Sandbox at a time in regular Windows kills some of my workflows.)
- kaycebasques 4y agoIs the idea here that this is a streamlined version of Windows to help you debug the production image that you are putting on devices in the factory? In other words rather you use this rather than Linux on your development laptop to connect to the recently flashed device over USB/serial/etc. Or is the idea here that this is a mode that you can flip on in a device that you just flashed in order to debug it? Sorry if my terminology is off.
- etaioinshrdlu 4y agoWindows does seem to have strategy-shifted a lot since the 2000-2010ish era. I recently installed Windows 10 the official way on a fresh PC, it allowed installing with no license key. It allowed installing with a local-only account. The installation appears fully functional. It's not prompting for any key or licensing. They finally just seem glad that someone is using their software...
- beart 4y agoWhat edition of Windows 10 were you installing? The home/consumer versions currently have several dark patterns that push you to create a Microsoft account and link it to your PC login when installing Windows.
- shaky-carrousel 4y agoThe trick is not having internet enabled. When there is no internet, it switches to local account creation.
- nicce 4y agoCurrent Insider version of 11 has removed this option totally. Long live the clould. > Similar to Windows 11 Home edition, Windows 11 Pro edition now requires internet connectivity during the initial device setup (OOBE) only. If you choose to setup device for personal use, MSA will be required for setup as well. You can expect Microsoft Account to be required in subsequent WIP flights. https://blogs.windows.com/windows-insider/2022/02/16/announcing-windows-11-insider-preview-build-22557/ https://blogs.windows.com/windows-insider/2022/02/16/announc... https://webmediums.com/amp/p/tlvo1qetw4z2 https://webmediums.com/amp/p/tlvo1qetw4z2
- zamadatix 4y agoThe new dark pattern avoidance trick is entering "no@thankyou.com" or some other banned account email using anything as the password.
- Jaruzel 4y agoI said this on a previous thread, but I'd like to see someone build a lightweight graphical UI desktop for this, that just keeps out of the way and lets you just get on with using your machine like Windows used to be.
- theandrewbailey 4y ago> Validation OS boots into a Command Line environment to increase reliability on the factory floor and supports running Win32 apps, smoothing the transition from early hardware bring-up to retail OS and apps development. What about my Silverlight and Metro apps? Win32 is old and deprecated! \s
- smm11 4y agoThe HIREN Windows version has always been my fave. Installing it to an HD for daily use has never worked, though.
- helloFlutter 4y agoHow do we add links to a comment? https://careers.microsoft.com/us/en/login https://careers.microsoft.com/us/en/login https://careers.microsoft.com/us/en/search-results https://careers.microsoft.com/us/en/search-results
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