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Jesus.. here i am in my BigCorp being disallowed to dev with Linux because too much mandated corporate crapware doesn't work. I dream of the day my employer pr

Jesus.. here i am in my BigCorp being disallowed to dev with Linux because too much mandated corporate crapware doesn't work. I dream of the day my employer provides an in-house distro for me.

HyperSane 4y ago
WSL2 works really well.
- p_l 4y ago
  As part of the crapware image process, WSL (1&2) is often blocked
- happymellon 4y ago
  Unlikely to work in any corporate environment that I've witnessed. This is why so many devs I know moved to Mac's. Not because Mac's are necessary that great, who cares about battery life when it just sits on a desk, but because it's the closest you can get to Linux in a corporate environment. I would take native Linux on an ThinkPad as first option, but denied that I would go for Mac over Windows. I don't find WSL fixed all the other Windows problems such as lack of support for multiple desktops. They exist but the implementation is terrible.
  - surban 4y ago
    Windows 11 natively supports multiple desktops.
    - happymellon 4y ago
      Is it better than 7 or 10? As those "supported" multiple desktops, but was implemented in such a bad way. Gnome and KDE are so much smoother when it comes to these workflows.
  - SuperSandro2000 4y ago
    Mac's are closer to BSD than Linux and suck for Linux oriented development. Brew is more ductape than a solution and you basically need to replace all GNU tools since they are horrible out of date.
    - happymellon 4y ago
      I completely agree that Mac's suck for development. Running 32gb laptops to run a few development environments that really should be fine in 16gb is sad.
- frafra 4y ago
  Firewall bypass. Terrible performances when using Docker while accessing files stored on a Windows folder.
- encryptluks2 4y ago
  No it doesn't unless you've never ran bare metal Linux and are happy with VM overhead.
- SuperSandro2000 4y ago
  I only use WSL2 at work. Got my full blown NixOS with systems and all in it.
haik90 4y ago
We're on the same boat. Since a lot of people complaint, they allow Linux, but only under VM (VirtualBox), still better than no Linux at all.
- bgro 4y ago
  I've only seen Windows and Mac options at work other than rare devops / sys admins who are using like red hat in some cases. Is there a generally agreed upon standard distro? A lot of random programs that seem to be needed for corporate work, like outlook and teams, I imagine don't work or are somehow even worse on linux. Or is that what people are referring to with the junk software? Does the general dev stack really run significantly more performant on linux distros? Significant as in uses 50% of the resources, compared to a 5% performance increase. Windows drivers are relatively so optimized, I've seen battery life double when switching from Ubuntu to Windows on laptops although I haven't tested it in a while. The constant random headaches with webcams / mics / mice not working as expected has basically been my deal breaker in the past. Mac has been a decent medium.
  - technofiend 4y ago
    The driver behind a unix desktop is you're usually deploying to a unix environment, so parity between the environments means little to no friction developing or debugging.
  - antod 4y ago
    > A lot of random programs that seem to be needed for corporate work, like outlook and teams, I imagine don't work or are somehow even worse on linux. I thought Teams was shitty on Linux, then I got switched to a Mac. Teams was just as shitty there too. I don't think it's any better on Windows either. > Does the general dev stack really run significantly more performant on linux distros? Significant as in uses 50% of the resources, compared to a 5% performance increase. Depends on the stack. One example: Being able to use Docker Engine natively rather than Docker Desktop saves a lot of resources.
swaranga 4y ago
I am loving the Netflix model. You can ask for a MacBook or a thinkpad. If you opt for the thinkpad, you can also install whatever Linux you want and all tools will still work. In fact you can bring your own laptop and without reimaging use that for development. All interval tools (of which there aren’t too many are written in Go so are cross platform). I ordered a framework laptop and will expense it once it is here.
- pertbert 4y ago
  That's flexible! Does this flexibility derive from have a simpler threat model at Netflix? How damaging would insider risk be?
  - swaranga 4y ago
    Not a security engineer so can’t comment on the threat model. But an insider threat like a rogue employee can do as much damage with a managed laptop vs an unmanaged one IMO.

Jesus.. here i am in my BigCorp being disallowed to dev with Linux because too much mandated corporate crapware doesn't work. I dream of the day my employer provides an in-house distro for me.

HyperSane 4y ago

WSL2 works really well.

p_l 4y ago
As part of the crapware image process, WSL (1&2) is often blocked
happymellon 4y ago
Unlikely to work in any corporate environment that I've witnessed. This is why so many devs I know moved to Mac's. Not because Mac's are necessary that great, who cares about battery life when it just sits on a desk, but because it's the closest you can get to Linux in a corporate environment. I would take native Linux on an ThinkPad as first option, but denied that I would go for Mac over Windows. I don't find WSL fixed all the other Windows problems such as lack of support for multiple desktops. They exist but the implementation is terrible.
- surban 4y ago
  Windows 11 natively supports multiple desktops.
  - happymellon 4y ago
    Is it better than 7 or 10? As those "supported" multiple desktops, but was implemented in such a bad way. Gnome and KDE are so much smoother when it comes to these workflows.
- SuperSandro2000 4y ago
  Mac's are closer to BSD than Linux and suck for Linux oriented development. Brew is more ductape than a solution and you basically need to replace all GNU tools since they are horrible out of date.
  - happymellon 4y ago
    I completely agree that Mac's suck for development. Running 32gb laptops to run a few development environments that really should be fine in 16gb is sad.
frafra 4y ago
Firewall bypass. Terrible performances when using Docker while accessing files stored on a Windows folder.
encryptluks2 4y ago
No it doesn't unless you've never ran bare metal Linux and are happy with VM overhead.
SuperSandro2000 4y ago
I only use WSL2 at work. Got my full blown NixOS with systems and all in it.

haik90 4y ago

We're on the same boat. Since a lot of people complaint, they allow Linux, but only under VM (VirtualBox), still better than no Linux at all.

bgro 4y ago
I've only seen Windows and Mac options at work other than rare devops / sys admins who are using like red hat in some cases. Is there a generally agreed upon standard distro? A lot of random programs that seem to be needed for corporate work, like outlook and teams, I imagine don't work or are somehow even worse on linux. Or is that what people are referring to with the junk software? Does the general dev stack really run significantly more performant on linux distros? Significant as in uses 50% of the resources, compared to a 5% performance increase. Windows drivers are relatively so optimized, I've seen battery life double when switching from Ubuntu to Windows on laptops although I haven't tested it in a while. The constant random headaches with webcams / mics / mice not working as expected has basically been my deal breaker in the past. Mac has been a decent medium.
- technofiend 4y ago
  The driver behind a unix desktop is you're usually deploying to a unix environment, so parity between the environments means little to no friction developing or debugging.
- antod 4y ago
  > A lot of random programs that seem to be needed for corporate work, like outlook and teams, I imagine don't work or are somehow even worse on linux. I thought Teams was shitty on Linux, then I got switched to a Mac. Teams was just as shitty there too. I don't think it's any better on Windows either. > Does the general dev stack really run significantly more performant on linux distros? Significant as in uses 50% of the resources, compared to a 5% performance increase. Depends on the stack. One example: Being able to use Docker Engine natively rather than Docker Desktop saves a lot of resources.

swaranga 4y ago

I am loving the Netflix model. You can ask for a MacBook or a thinkpad. If you opt for the thinkpad, you can also install whatever Linux you want and all tools will still work. In fact you can bring your own laptop and without reimaging use that for development. All interval tools (of which there aren’t too many are written in Go so are cross platform). I ordered a framework laptop and will expense it once it is here.

pertbert 4y ago
That's flexible! Does this flexibility derive from have a simpler threat model at Netflix? How damaging would insider risk be?
- swaranga 4y ago
  Not a security engineer so can’t comment on the threat model. But an insider threat like a rogue employee can do as much damage with a managed laptop vs an unmanaged one IMO.