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Is it possible to introduce this to the body without buying it specifically? Or put another way, how did people get L. Reuteri without pharmaceutical/supplement

Is it possible to introduce this to the body without buying it specifically? Or put another way, how did people get L. Reuteri without pharmaceutical/supplement companies growing it in labs?

TedDoesntTalk 4y ago
The article says breast milk is one source. Don’t wean your babies to formula too early! You can buy breast milk from lactating mothers on Craigslist. Good luck.
- folli 4y ago
  Breast milk is inherently sterile (unless the mother has a severe bacterial infection). It usually gets contaminated with the skin microbiota during feeding. So no, I wouldn't count on L. reuteri being found in a random sample of breast milk.
  - joe-collins 4y ago
    Breast milk is not sterile. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2643565/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2643565/
    - folli 4y ago
      That's hotly debated. Even the study you cite cannot rule out skin contamination. But unequivocally showing the existence of entero-mammary pathway (translocation of maternal gut bacteria from the gut to the mammary glands) would be very exciting news indeed.
      - TedDoesntTalk 4y ago
        The article says that L. reuteri is present in other places in the body besides the gut.
      - bawolff 4y ago
        In the context of this conversation, does it matter whether the cause is skin contamination or not?
        TedDoesntTalk 4y ago
        Yes, because if you are buying breast milk from a woman who used a breast pump, then the skin contamination is very very little compared to actual breast suckling. A seller: https://cosprings.craigslist.org/hab/d/colorado-springs-breast-milk/7500027953.html https://cosprings.craigslist.org/hab/d/colorado-springs-brea...
        __alexs 4y ago
        So you're telling me I should actually be drinking all of this e-girl bath water I bought?
      - candiddevmike 4y ago
        You can get HIV from breast milk, it's not sterile.
        folli 4y ago
        HIV is an infectious virus. Also, bacteria in milk is usually a sign of mastitis. I'm explicitly talking about healthy mothers.
  - stefantalpalaru 4y ago
    > Breast milk is inherently sterile There is nothing sterile in the human body. Not even the brain.
    - folli 4y ago
      You've put more confidence in your statement than the scientific consensus allows. A brain microbiome is hotly debated, no concrete proof (yet?). I personally also have a hard time believing in a healthy bacterial blood microbiota, but it's also proposed.
      - stefantalpalaru 4y ago
folli 4y ago
Labs usually get them from bacterial strain collections, e.g https://www.atcc.org/search#q=lactobacillus%20reuteri&sort=relevancy&numberOfResults=24 https://www.atcc.org/search#q=lactobacillus%20reuteri&sort=r...
sooheon 4y ago
It is found all over the place in nature: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Limosilactobacillus_reuteri https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Limosilactobacillus_reuteri > It appears to be essentially ubiquitous in the animal kingdom, having been found in the gastrointestinal tracts and feces of healthy humans,[7] sheep, chickens,[8] pigs,[9] and rodents.[10] It is the only species to constitute a "major component" of the Lactobacillus species present in the gut of each of the tested host animals,[11] and each host seems to harbor its own specific strain of L. reuteri.[10][12] It is possible that L. reuteri contributes to the health of its host organism in some manner.[13] The labs got it from nature, not the other way around.
wil421 4y ago
I know lactos are in the environment naturally. When I ferment peppers or other vegetables I lightly rinse them to make sure some bacteria is left. Eating raw fruits and vegetables would certainly pass some bacteria to the gut.
michael1999 4y ago
They know someone who knows someone who swears their cousin had the best kefir, or a proper “Tibetan mushroom” complex. Supplement companies aren’t the devil.

Is it possible to introduce this to the body without buying it specifically? Or put another way, how did people get L. Reuteri without pharmaceutical/supplement companies growing it in labs?

TedDoesntTalk 4y ago

The article says breast milk is one source. Don’t wean your babies to formula too early! You can buy breast milk from lactating mothers on Craigslist. Good luck.

folli 4y ago
Breast milk is inherently sterile (unless the mother has a severe bacterial infection). It usually gets contaminated with the skin microbiota during feeding. So no, I wouldn't count on L. reuteri being found in a random sample of breast milk.
- joe-collins 4y ago
  Breast milk is not sterile. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2643565/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2643565/
  - folli 4y ago
    That's hotly debated. Even the study you cite cannot rule out skin contamination. But unequivocally showing the existence of entero-mammary pathway (translocation of maternal gut bacteria from the gut to the mammary glands) would be very exciting news indeed.
    - TedDoesntTalk 4y ago
      The article says that L. reuteri is present in other places in the body besides the gut.
    - bawolff 4y ago
      In the context of this conversation, does it matter whether the cause is skin contamination or not?
      - TedDoesntTalk 4y ago
        Yes, because if you are buying breast milk from a woman who used a breast pump, then the skin contamination is very very little compared to actual breast suckling. A seller: https://cosprings.craigslist.org/hab/d/colorado-springs-breast-milk/7500027953.html https://cosprings.craigslist.org/hab/d/colorado-springs-brea...
        __alexs 4y ago
        So you're telling me I should actually be drinking all of this e-girl bath water I bought?
    - candiddevmike 4y ago
      You can get HIV from breast milk, it's not sterile.
      - folli 4y ago
        HIV is an infectious virus. Also, bacteria in milk is usually a sign of mastitis. I'm explicitly talking about healthy mothers.
- stefantalpalaru 4y ago
  > Breast milk is inherently sterile There is nothing sterile in the human body. Not even the brain.
  - folli 4y ago
    You've put more confidence in your statement than the scientific consensus allows. A brain microbiome is hotly debated, no concrete proof (yet?). I personally also have a hard time believing in a healthy bacterial blood microbiota, but it's also proposed.
    - stefantalpalaru 4y ago

folli 4y ago

Labs usually get them from bacterial strain collections, e.g https://www.atcc.org/search#q=lactobacillus%20reuteri&sort=relevancy&numberOfResults=24 https://www.atcc.org/search#q=lactobacillus%20reuteri&sort=r...

sooheon 4y ago

It is found all over the place in nature: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Limosilactobacillus_reuteri https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Limosilactobacillus_reuteri > It appears to be essentially ubiquitous in the animal kingdom, having been found in the gastrointestinal tracts and feces of healthy humans,[7] sheep, chickens,[8] pigs,[9] and rodents.[10] It is the only species to constitute a "major component" of the Lactobacillus species present in the gut of each of the tested host animals,[11] and each host seems to harbor its own specific strain of L. reuteri.[10][12] It is possible that L. reuteri contributes to the health of its host organism in some manner.[13] The labs got it from nature, not the other way around.

wil421 4y ago

I know lactos are in the environment naturally. When I ferment peppers or other vegetables I lightly rinse them to make sure some bacteria is left. Eating raw fruits and vegetables would certainly pass some bacteria to the gut.

michael1999 4y ago

They know someone who knows someone who swears their cousin had the best kefir, or a proper “Tibetan mushroom” complex. Supplement companies aren’t the devil.