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Took them long enough. Though I'd wonder what changed. I don't see why they're worried about location data that much, as phone location is not accurate enough t

Took them long enough. Though I'd wonder what changed. I don't see why they're worried about location data that much, as phone location is not accurate enough to say an individual was somewhere at a specific time or to show their route in a city within a few feet, or at least that data probably doesn't meet the legal standard of being evidence of a crime, or of being an accessory or co-conspirator to one, so it seems pretty low risk from a privacy perspective.

woodruffw 4y ago
> Though I'd wonder what changed. They make it explicit in the statement: > Now let’s consider a particularly sensitive subset at the intersection of location and health: information related to personal reproductive matters – for example, products that track women’s periods, monitor their fertility, oversee their contraceptive use, or even target women considering abortion.
chefandy 4y ago
> I don't see why they're worried about location data that much, as phone location is not accurate enough to say an individual was somewhere at a specific time or to show their route in a city within a few feet, or at least that data probably doesn't meet the legal standard of being evidence of a crime, or of being an accessory or co-conspirator to one, so it seems pretty low risk from a privacy perspective. Eh? My phone can pinpoint its location to a part of a room in my 800 square foot flat. And the government uses phone location data for tactical and investigative stuff all the time— the Muslim Pro example most immediately comes to mind. Even seemingly innocuous data in the hands of correlating/mining data brokers would give them insights into your live that would make most people shudder.
autoexec 4y ago
> I don't see why they're worried about location data that much, as phone location is not accurate enough to say an individual was somewhere at a specific time or to show their route in a city within a few feet, Cell phones can provide precise GPS coordinates and cell phone tower data alone can give a person's location to within a mile while things like bluetooth beacons and wifi network info can give accurate data to within several meters. One of the major concerns with 5G is that because of the need for a much more extensive network of towers cell phone companies will have everyone's location data with precision measured in feet. As for not meeting the legal standard for evidence of a crime, it's already being used to identify suspects. It may not enough evidence on its own to convict someone, but it is enough to get you questioned/investigated/arrested. See: https://techcrunch.com/2021/08/19/google-geofence-warrants/ https://techcrunch.com/2021/08/19/google-geofence-warrants/ https://www.wired.com/story/capitol-riot-google-geofence-warrant/ https://www.wired.com/story/capitol-riot-google-geofence-war... I'd put the level of risk pretty high.

woodruffw 4y ago

> Though I'd wonder what changed. They make it explicit in the statement: > Now let’s consider a particularly sensitive subset at the intersection of location and health: information related to personal reproductive matters – for example, products that track women’s periods, monitor their fertility, oversee their contraceptive use, or even target women considering abortion.

chefandy 4y ago

> I don't see why they're worried about location data that much, as phone location is not accurate enough to say an individual was somewhere at a specific time or to show their route in a city within a few feet, or at least that data probably doesn't meet the legal standard of being evidence of a crime, or of being an accessory or co-conspirator to one, so it seems pretty low risk from a privacy perspective. Eh? My phone can pinpoint its location to a part of a room in my 800 square foot flat. And the government uses phone location data for tactical and investigative stuff all the time— the Muslim Pro example most immediately comes to mind. Even seemingly innocuous data in the hands of correlating/mining data brokers would give them insights into your live that would make most people shudder.

autoexec 4y ago

> I don't see why they're worried about location data that much, as phone location is not accurate enough to say an individual was somewhere at a specific time or to show their route in a city within a few feet, Cell phones can provide precise GPS coordinates and cell phone tower data alone can give a person's location to within a mile while things like bluetooth beacons and wifi network info can give accurate data to within several meters. One of the major concerns with 5G is that because of the need for a much more extensive network of towers cell phone companies will have everyone's location data with precision measured in feet. As for not meeting the legal standard for evidence of a crime, it's already being used to identify suspects. It may not enough evidence on its own to convict someone, but it is enough to get you questioned/investigated/arrested. See: https://techcrunch.com/2021/08/19/google-geofence-warrants/ https://techcrunch.com/2021/08/19/google-geofence-warrants/ https://www.wired.com/story/capitol-riot-google-geofence-warrant/ https://www.wired.com/story/capitol-riot-google-geofence-war... I'd put the level of risk pretty high.