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> Heathrow is in the UK, not in Ireland, so I'm not sure how Ireland's minimum wage, and Dublin Airport's work contracts for security, could possibly create sho

> Heathrow is in the UK, not in Ireland, so I'm not sure how Ireland's minimum wage, and Dublin Airport's work contracts for security, could possibly create shortages of staff at Heathrow? Of course the poster is not saying Dublin airport's wages affect staffing at Heathrow. But I think you know that. What is happening is something called a comparison or perhaps an analogy. We are being presented with another airport with staffing shortages and then presented with a cause which possibly applies to the airport in question. But I think you know this, too.

rahimnathwani 4y ago
It would be a reasonable analogy if the point made (low hourly pay combined with lack of guaranteed hours) applied to Heathrow, but it doesn't appear that it does[0]: * The starting salary for Security Officers at Heathrow is 28% above the UK's minimum wage (12.13/hour vs 9.50/hour). * They employ people as either full time (40 hours/week) or part time (20 hours/week). For the latter, there are two shift patterns available, but they don't seem to vary week by week. [0] - https://encd.fa.em3.oraclecloud.com/hcmUI/CandidateExperience/en/sites/CX/requisitions/job/421 https://encd.fa.em3.oraclecloud.com/hcmUI/CandidateExperienc...
- kingofpandora 4y ago
  I didn't say it was a good analogy (I have no idea), and you are free to pick holes in it. But the intent was clear.
- shaicoleman 4y ago
  From the article: "There are some critical functions in the airport which are still significantly under resourced, in particular ground handlers, who are contracted by airlines to provide check-in staff, load and unload bags and turnaround aircraft." Sample of one, but this is the first result I got: A baggage handler job in Heathrow earns £11/hour for a contracted temporary hourly job that involves probably shifts, working through half the weekends, a long commute and dealing with abusive passengers. https://www.totaljobs.com/job/baggage-handler/buzz-recruitment-limited-job98090982 https://www.totaljobs.com/job/baggage-handler/buzz-recruitme... Perhaps different roles are affected, but I suspect Dublin and Heathrow have staff shortages for similar reasons.
  - rahimnathwani 4y ago
    There seem to be at least two issues here: 1) pay and conditions relative to other options (which your example illustrates) 2) the system's inability to react quickly to changes in required throughput, because hiring and training takes at least a few weeks(?) I wonder what's the dominant reason for today's situation, when Heathrow worked fine before the pandemic? A) Potential workers have better options (or better information about options) than they did before the pandemic? B) The airport and airlines failed to forecast accurately enough? C) Some other type of 'bug' in the system of management? D) Something else?

rahimnathwani 4y ago

It would be a reasonable analogy if the point made (low hourly pay combined with lack of guaranteed hours) applied to Heathrow, but it doesn't appear that it does[0]: * The starting salary for Security Officers at Heathrow is 28% above the UK's minimum wage (12.13/hour vs 9.50/hour). * They employ people as either full time (40 hours/week) or part time (20 hours/week). For the latter, there are two shift patterns available, but they don't seem to vary week by week. [0] - https://encd.fa.em3.oraclecloud.com/hcmUI/CandidateExperience/en/sites/CX/requisitions/job/421 https://encd.fa.em3.oraclecloud.com/hcmUI/CandidateExperienc...

kingofpandora 4y ago
I didn't say it was a good analogy (I have no idea), and you are free to pick holes in it. But the intent was clear.
shaicoleman 4y ago
From the article: "There are some critical functions in the airport which are still significantly under resourced, in particular ground handlers, who are contracted by airlines to provide check-in staff, load and unload bags and turnaround aircraft." Sample of one, but this is the first result I got: A baggage handler job in Heathrow earns £11/hour for a contracted temporary hourly job that involves probably shifts, working through half the weekends, a long commute and dealing with abusive passengers. https://www.totaljobs.com/job/baggage-handler/buzz-recruitment-limited-job98090982 https://www.totaljobs.com/job/baggage-handler/buzz-recruitme... Perhaps different roles are affected, but I suspect Dublin and Heathrow have staff shortages for similar reasons.
- rahimnathwani 4y ago
  There seem to be at least two issues here: 1) pay and conditions relative to other options (which your example illustrates) 2) the system's inability to react quickly to changes in required throughput, because hiring and training takes at least a few weeks(?) I wonder what's the dominant reason for today's situation, when Heathrow worked fine before the pandemic? A) Potential workers have better options (or better information about options) than they did before the pandemic? B) The airport and airlines failed to forecast accurately enough? C) Some other type of 'bug' in the system of management? D) Something else?