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YT couldn't care less if creators are unhappy with anything at the moment. There is no real competition, so creators have to just deal with it. I hope for a rea

YT couldn't care less if creators are unhappy with anything at the moment. There is no real competition, so creators have to just deal with it. I hope for a real competition, where there will be a mass exodus.

BudaDude 4y ago
This is becoming less true, TikTok is a major competitor. Yeah there is Youtube shorts, but its largely just reuploaded TikTok videos.
- sillysaurusx 4y ago
  I’m delighted to see that people are recognizing what a threat tiktok poses. I don’t blame people for being skeptical. It’s easy to forget that big companies die due to being transcended, not replaced. The YouTube killer won’t look anything like YouTube, and tiktok fits that bill nicely. Case in point: https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZTR2KUDn8/?k=1 https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZTR2KUDn8/?k=1 Google is realizing how bad it is that they can’t index TikToks, the same way they realized how bad it is they couldn’t index tweets in 2015 or so.
  - lovehashbrowns 4y ago
    Oh damn, that’s something I’ve never even considered before. I didn’t even think of using TikTok as a search engine. Damn, I was legitimately trying to not sign up for TikTok but if it can actually beat out Google in a search for terms like that, that’s actually huge
  - antifa 4y ago
    I missed the beginning of the video because it autoplayed while muted. Then I couldn't go back to the beginning because there are no video controls. Tiktok does not fit the bill. Tiktoks not being indexed is a win for content and UI quality.
- ziddoap 4y ago
  Maybe for certain segments/formats, but TikTok doesn't do long-form videos, does it? Most of my YouTube watching is things like Anton Petrov's 15+ minute science videos, PBS Space Time, hour+ live streams, DefCon/Blackhat/Other Conference talks, and a hundred other things that I don't think are available or desired on TikToks platform (and maybe not even supported? I'm not sure what the max video length is on TikTok).
  - sillysaurusx 4y ago
    It sure does. They enabled 10min videos, and at this point it's a meme that creators are getting roasted for doing part 2's. (I.e. breaking up a long video into multiple parts for no reason.) Not only that, but lots of tiktok accounts are literally just reuploading full youtube videos from channels like Kurzgesagt. Not happy about that, but it's also a sign of a successful platform. Facebook had the same situation going on. Most of my tiktok watching is exactly the same as yours on youtube, by the way. My educational playlist is at 242 entries, whereas the lol playlist is around 160.
    - ziddoap 4y ago
      Interesting, I guess that goes to show how long it's been since I've explored what TikTok offers. Thanks for the info.
      - input_sh 4y ago
        In short: 2016 launch: 15 sec 2017: 30 sec Jul 2021: 3 min Feb 2022: 10 min
    - selfhoster11 4y ago
      > just reuploading full youtube videos from channels like Kurzgesagt (...) it's also a sign of a successful platform No, not really. Ripping Youtube content is trivial, so you basically have a raidable pool of high-quality content that you can re-upload and monetise, that you didn't have to pay for in any way. If you're seeing a lot of Kurzgesagt vidoes on TikTok, all that means is that someone found out their monetisation success rate for those stolen videos is high enough that it makes financial sense to carry on doing it.
- selfhoster11 4y ago
  Tiktok is not a competitor to YT. It's much more focused on shorter-form content, and it's much more addictive. For those two reasons alone, it's not a 1:1 competitor to the Youtube monopoly.
- corrral 4y ago
  That's just trading one master for another. It'd degrade to be similarly bad. A podcast-like model would provide a lot more freedom—host anywhere, promote anywhere, with clients, not monopolist web platforms, controlling "subscriptions" and such.
- deleted 4y ago
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- post_break 4y ago
  Let me know when I can learn how to fix the radiator fan for my 2008 ford on tiktok, then I'll agree with you.
- bob1029 4y ago
  YouTube is such a hard market to crack. 99% of the problem is simple information theory and getting bits from A to B. The actual software isn't that difficult. I honestly don't think something like YouTube ever could be profitable without destroying the product that exists today. I don't believe the primary purpose of TikTok is to make money.
- antifa 4y ago
  > Yeah there is Youtube shorts You could already upload short videos, why would a shit UI for short videos be a plus?
kzrdude 4y ago
Nebula is the competition, right? But it's used as an add-on, not replacement of youtube right now.
nmz 4y ago
There's plenty of competition for music streaming, internet radio is easy to find, the only impediment is installing VLC and finding a stream. which if you know how to google is easy enough.
kzrdude 4y ago
Wendover's video from today looks a bit closer at the ecosystem as it is now https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eoWcQUjNM8o https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eoWcQUjNM8o - says Youtube is the best option for creators right now

BudaDude 4y ago

This is becoming less true, TikTok is a major competitor. Yeah there is Youtube shorts, but its largely just reuploaded TikTok videos.

sillysaurusx 4y ago
I’m delighted to see that people are recognizing what a threat tiktok poses. I don’t blame people for being skeptical. It’s easy to forget that big companies die due to being transcended, not replaced. The YouTube killer won’t look anything like YouTube, and tiktok fits that bill nicely. Case in point: https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZTR2KUDn8/?k=1 https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZTR2KUDn8/?k=1 Google is realizing how bad it is that they can’t index TikToks, the same way they realized how bad it is they couldn’t index tweets in 2015 or so.
- lovehashbrowns 4y ago
  Oh damn, that’s something I’ve never even considered before. I didn’t even think of using TikTok as a search engine. Damn, I was legitimately trying to not sign up for TikTok but if it can actually beat out Google in a search for terms like that, that’s actually huge
- antifa 4y ago
  I missed the beginning of the video because it autoplayed while muted. Then I couldn't go back to the beginning because there are no video controls. Tiktok does not fit the bill. Tiktoks not being indexed is a win for content and UI quality.
ziddoap 4y ago
Maybe for certain segments/formats, but TikTok doesn't do long-form videos, does it? Most of my YouTube watching is things like Anton Petrov's 15+ minute science videos, PBS Space Time, hour+ live streams, DefCon/Blackhat/Other Conference talks, and a hundred other things that I don't think are available or desired on TikToks platform (and maybe not even supported? I'm not sure what the max video length is on TikTok).
- sillysaurusx 4y ago
  It sure does. They enabled 10min videos, and at this point it's a meme that creators are getting roasted for doing part 2's. (I.e. breaking up a long video into multiple parts for no reason.) Not only that, but lots of tiktok accounts are literally just reuploading full youtube videos from channels like Kurzgesagt. Not happy about that, but it's also a sign of a successful platform. Facebook had the same situation going on. Most of my tiktok watching is exactly the same as yours on youtube, by the way. My educational playlist is at 242 entries, whereas the lol playlist is around 160.
  - ziddoap 4y ago
    Interesting, I guess that goes to show how long it's been since I've explored what TikTok offers. Thanks for the info.
    - input_sh 4y ago
      In short: 2016 launch: 15 sec 2017: 30 sec Jul 2021: 3 min Feb 2022: 10 min
  - selfhoster11 4y ago
    > just reuploading full youtube videos from channels like Kurzgesagt (...) it's also a sign of a successful platform No, not really. Ripping Youtube content is trivial, so you basically have a raidable pool of high-quality content that you can re-upload and monetise, that you didn't have to pay for in any way. If you're seeing a lot of Kurzgesagt vidoes on TikTok, all that means is that someone found out their monetisation success rate for those stolen videos is high enough that it makes financial sense to carry on doing it.
selfhoster11 4y ago
Tiktok is not a competitor to YT. It's much more focused on shorter-form content, and it's much more addictive. For those two reasons alone, it's not a 1:1 competitor to the Youtube monopoly.
corrral 4y ago
That's just trading one master for another. It'd degrade to be similarly bad. A podcast-like model would provide a lot more freedom—host anywhere, promote anywhere, with clients, not monopolist web platforms, controlling "subscriptions" and such.
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post_break 4y ago
Let me know when I can learn how to fix the radiator fan for my 2008 ford on tiktok, then I'll agree with you.
bob1029 4y ago
YouTube is such a hard market to crack. 99% of the problem is simple information theory and getting bits from A to B. The actual software isn't that difficult. I honestly don't think something like YouTube ever could be profitable without destroying the product that exists today. I don't believe the primary purpose of TikTok is to make money.
antifa 4y ago
> Yeah there is Youtube shorts You could already upload short videos, why would a shit UI for short videos be a plus?

kzrdude 4y ago

Nebula is the competition, right? But it's used as an add-on, not replacement of youtube right now.

nmz 4y ago

There's plenty of competition for music streaming, internet radio is easy to find, the only impediment is installing VLC and finding a stream. which if you know how to google is easy enough.

kzrdude 4y ago

Wendover's video from today looks a bit closer at the ecosystem as it is now https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eoWcQUjNM8o https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eoWcQUjNM8o - says Youtube is the best option for creators right now