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same goes for copyright atleast imo. when the revolution comes, let's do away with them

xjay 4y ago
..and egos, and attribution.
kube-system 4y ago
Do you want to see what Linux looks like when it’s distributed as a binary with DRM? Because this is probably the best way to achieve that. “Abolishing copyright” is not the same as “abolishing people not wanting to cooperate”
- goodpoint 4y ago
  This is correct. Unfortunately most people are pretty naive when it comes to the reasons and the history behind copyright and patents. Without any concept of authorship, moral rights and prior art we would go back to early 1900: a lot of technology was not only secret but even actively obfuscated. Companies would be secretive and uncooperative and society progresses much more slowly.
  - zozbot234 4y ago
    > a lot of technology was not only secret but even actively obfuscated. This is exactly the state of things today. It always takes significant time for a new technology area to open up and improve in transparency, and it's not at all clear that copyright and patents can really improve on this.
    - kube-system 4y ago
      IP rights are an olive branch to creators encouraging publishing, they don’t force anyone to publish their work. Taking away that incentive will result in a worsening of the situation, even though there will be a nonzero number of people who choose not to publish under both scenarios.
    - goodpoint 4y ago
      > This is exactly the state of things today Citation needed.
      - EliMdoza 4y ago
        Go read "Against Intellectual Monopoly". It's free. The history of IP law, patents and copyright is quite surprising. https://www.cambridge.org/core/books/against-intellectual-monopoly/B4548895B72959727FB0971B519EB2BA https://www.cambridge.org/core/books/against-intellectual-mo...
        goodpoint 4y ago
        Citation still needed.
  - errantmind 4y ago
    There was nothing slow about society in that period.
  - survirtual 4y ago
    Patents are a plague on modern society. Early 1900 did not have accessible light speed communications like the internet. There are billions of people capable of understanding complex ideas and generating inventions. Patents prevent small, underfunded inventors from creating. It makes access to innovation exclusively for the rich, who have access to the resources necessary to patent new ideas, defend their patent, and squash small innovators. It also forces underfunded innovators to seek financing and relinquish significant IP rights to a viralistic parasite providing funding. They are a tool of control against the intellectual class, and a method to slow innovation in order to parasitic entities to maximize profits. Rarely do patents in the modern day protect small time inventors. Instead, it entrenches large scale institutions and enslaves the minds generating the intellectual property. Simultaneously, with millions of brilliant minds around the globe, it gives the rich tools to squash inventors generating simple concepts in parallel. So many simple ideas — like much of 3d printing, or shadow extrusions, or using ML to read road signs — have been patented to the detriment of all. I could go on all day. Patents are a plague.
    - goodpoint 4y ago
      > Patents are a plague on modern society. I'm not sure why you are replying to me. I never said I like how patents and copyright are implemented in the current time. > I could go on all day. I can see that...
      - survirtual 4y ago
        You said companies would be secretive and uncooperative without patents. I was replying to that. We live in very different times.

xjay 4y ago

..and egos, and attribution.

Do you want to see what Linux looks like when it’s distributed as a binary with DRM? Because this is probably the best way to achieve that. “Abolishing copyright” is not the same as “abolishing people not wanting to cooperate”

goodpoint 4y ago
This is correct. Unfortunately most people are pretty naive when it comes to the reasons and the history behind copyright and patents. Without any concept of authorship, moral rights and prior art we would go back to early 1900: a lot of technology was not only secret but even actively obfuscated. Companies would be secretive and uncooperative and society progresses much more slowly.
- zozbot234 4y ago
  > a lot of technology was not only secret but even actively obfuscated. This is exactly the state of things today. It always takes significant time for a new technology area to open up and improve in transparency, and it's not at all clear that copyright and patents can really improve on this.
  - kube-system 4y ago
    IP rights are an olive branch to creators encouraging publishing, they don’t force anyone to publish their work. Taking away that incentive will result in a worsening of the situation, even though there will be a nonzero number of people who choose not to publish under both scenarios.
  - goodpoint 4y ago
    > This is exactly the state of things today Citation needed.
    - EliMdoza 4y ago
      Go read "Against Intellectual Monopoly". It's free. The history of IP law, patents and copyright is quite surprising. https://www.cambridge.org/core/books/against-intellectual-monopoly/B4548895B72959727FB0971B519EB2BA https://www.cambridge.org/core/books/against-intellectual-mo...
      - goodpoint 4y ago
        Citation still needed.
- errantmind 4y ago
  There was nothing slow about society in that period.
- survirtual 4y ago
  Patents are a plague on modern society. Early 1900 did not have accessible light speed communications like the internet. There are billions of people capable of understanding complex ideas and generating inventions. Patents prevent small, underfunded inventors from creating. It makes access to innovation exclusively for the rich, who have access to the resources necessary to patent new ideas, defend their patent, and squash small innovators. It also forces underfunded innovators to seek financing and relinquish significant IP rights to a viralistic parasite providing funding. They are a tool of control against the intellectual class, and a method to slow innovation in order to parasitic entities to maximize profits. Rarely do patents in the modern day protect small time inventors. Instead, it entrenches large scale institutions and enslaves the minds generating the intellectual property. Simultaneously, with millions of brilliant minds around the globe, it gives the rich tools to squash inventors generating simple concepts in parallel. So many simple ideas — like much of 3d printing, or shadow extrusions, or using ML to read road signs — have been patented to the detriment of all. I could go on all day. Patents are a plague.
  - goodpoint 4y ago
    > Patents are a plague on modern society. I'm not sure why you are replying to me. I never said I like how patents and copyright are implemented in the current time. > I could go on all day. I can see that...
    - survirtual 4y ago
      You said companies would be secretive and uncooperative without patents. I was replying to that. We live in very different times.