> The problem is that anticonsumer grift will eventually pervade the entire space. If not prevented legally then it will just be a matter of time This isn't a

> The problem is that anticonsumer grift will eventually pervade the entire space. If not prevented legally then it will just be a matter of time This isn't a guaranteed thing. Toyota makes money hand over fist selling decade behind the competition vehicles for high prices based on a premise of reliability that the overwhelming majority of buyers will not keep the car long enough to take advantage of and HN never misses an opportunity to praise them for it. I feel very confident saying that the market for cars that don't include SAAS-esque BS subscriptions will be large enough to sustain a decent number of offerings in the same way that the sedan market is still healthy despite the crossover-ification of everything and the hatch market is stronger than it's been since the 90s.