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Calling that bigotry is offensive to anyone that has been subjected to actual bigotry. You should be ashamed.

jollybean 4y ago
- Jasper_ 4y ago
  Before you commented, I thought "there is nothing in this world an MBA can't make worse" was a bit too harsh. Now, I see it's actually accurate.
  - dang 4y ago
    Flamewar comments will get you banned here, regardless of how wrong someone else is or you feel they are. If you'd please review https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and stick to the rules when posting here, we'd appreciate it.
- bobkazamakis 4y ago
  [flagged]
- grapeskin 4y ago
  MBAs aren’t something people are born into or end up through no choice of their own. Bigotry against MBAs is impossible. It’s like being a loan shark or pimp. People actively choose that life and society talks poorly about them because of the social harm they bring. There’s nothing stopping someone from washing their hands of any of those things and being productive.
  - jollybean 4y ago
    - verve_rat 4y ago
      Your behaviour here isn't a good argument for this thread's feelings about MBAs being "obstinate or unreasonable".
    - at_a_remove 4y ago
      Most shysters are great communicators and quite a lot of fun to be around. It's how they operate.
    - badRNG 4y ago
      > "obstinate or unreasonable attachment to a belief, opinion, or faction; in particular, prejudice against a person or people on the basis of their membership of a particular group" This is just the fallacy of definition. Technically being anti-racist or anti-terrorism is "bigotry" on a fallaciously "strict" interpretation of some short definition of the word if one refuses to acknowledge its social and historical context (and how the word is used in the real world.)
    - deleted 4y ago
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    - Miraste 4y ago
      > MBA's are generally better communicators and much easier to get along with. This is exactly the problem. The MBA skill set is climbing corporate hierarchies. Not product design, customer service, empathy, or long-term thinking; only promotions. That's the whole reason anyone gets an MBA. MBAs often lack domain knowledge, but even when they have it, the MBA problem remains because their priorities are unrelated to product improvement. They spend their time ingratiating themselves and taking over the top layers of management, hiring more MBAs all the while, until a formerly functional company ends up like Boeing or Sculley's Apple. Too many MBAs will inevitably degrade product quality.
      - jollybean 4y ago
        "You can tell the witches by their propensity to gather with one another - which is proof indeed they are witches, and must be burned, lest they infect the rest of us good people!" My. God. Man. The amount of misunderstanding, arbitrarily 'made up stuff' and naive speculation on this thread ... it's just ridiculous. It's kind of general professional designation, and valuable education for those with no business background (though likely not useful unless from one of the better schools). I'll gather that more than 1/2 of them come from hard professional backgrounds (i.e. CFA, Finance, Eng, Science, Econ) and that they may not be directly oriented towards a specific 'role or trade' frankly is not that important. Almost everything that has been specifically said in this thread is a bit ridiculous (almost comical), and a lot of it kind of petty as well. "Those sneaky manipulators!" "Their priorities are this or that!" And really, really weird the amount of hyperbole here. I'm going to guess that maybe you don't really know MBA is (that's ok, it's not an insult, most people don't), and because you don't speak the language of finance, macro/micro economics, marketing, you may be inclined to assume that those things 'are not irrelevant', which is and oddly peculiar form of ironic glibness. It's a generalist designation. Some of them are good, some are not. It's not that big of a deal, and it's not at all like what some people are implying here.
- shijie 4y ago
  Not every critical or mean-spirited comment is bigotry. You got your fee-fees hurt because there’s probably some truth to the comment, even if it’s mean. Buck up, quit complaining, prove the parent comment wrong in your day-to-day work. Right now you’re just deepening a few MBA stereotypes at the moment.
  - dang 4y ago
    Flamewar comments, name-calling, and personal attacks will get you banned here, regardless of how wrong someone else is or you feel they are. Please don't post like this to HN. If you wouldn't mind reviewing https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and taking the intended spirit of the site more to heart, we'd be grateful.
- Bancakes 4y ago
  - jollybean 4y ago
    I'm both a Software Engineer and an MBA, and I can assure you that you're wrong, and with a comedic, glib kind of 'Musk-ian' lack of self awareness that's weirdly common among technical types. I mean it's getting funny now, I was hoping that your comment was satire (!), alas, no.
    - Bancakes 4y ago
      >You're wrong because..... ugh! you just are, okay?!
      - dang 4y ago
        Posting like this will get you banned here. If you'd please review https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and stick to the rules when posting here, we'd appreciate it.
    - josefx 4y ago
      [flagged]
    - ben_w 4y ago
      You can only choose your own responses to what you experience, not other people's. Engineering without professional leadership leads to wasted effort, solutions in search of problems, and also occasional successes such as Linux. Leadership without engineering (or equivalent in other fields) is the B-Ark. If you let yourself respond with anger, no matter how justified you feel, you're going to end up in the second group — leadership is a position of strength, and if there's one thing people like even less than sore losers, it is sore winners.
    - dang 4y ago
      If you keep posting like this we're going to end up having to ban you again, so please stop. Flamewar comments are not ok, and personal attacks are very not ok. No more of this please, regardless of how wrong someone else is or you feel they are. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
- Asooka 4y ago
  Now that's bigotry.
- aixi 4y ago
  You're being responded by a bunch of resentful engineers, but you're correct; it's the definition of bigotry.
  - dang 4y ago
    Flamewar comments will get you banned here, regardless of how wrong someone else is or you feel they are. If you'd please review https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and stick to the rules when posting here, we'd appreciate it.
    - aixi 4y ago
      yeah, my bad
- verve_rat 4y ago
  I hate to break it to you, but if you have a problem with 'technical types', this might not be the best place to hang out...
- pjc50 4y ago
  The problem here is the use of identity "I AM an MBA" rather than mere posession "I have an MBA" or even "I have been awarded an MBA". You've made a certificate into part of your identity and are getting into fights on that basis. "Engineer" can at least be a verb. I don't think MBA can?
dang 4y ago
Taking HN threads further into hellish flamewar is against the site guidelines, so please don't. Attacking someone personally is not ok. We're trying to avoid the online callout/shaming culture here: https://hn.algolia.com/?sort=byDate&type=comment&dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&query=online%20shaming%20by%3Adang https://hn.algolia.com/?sort=byDate&type=comment&dateRange=a... Having a flamewar about the definition of a word is particularly pointless because different people have very different associations with the same word—especially when you remember that this place literally has commenters coming from all over the world. Edit: you've unfortunately been breaking the site guidelines in other threads as well, e.g. here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32050947 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32050947. We eventually ban accounts that do that, so please don't do that. If you wouldn't mind reviewing https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and taking the intended spirit of the site more to heart, we'd be grateful.

Jasper_ 4y ago
Before you commented, I thought "there is nothing in this world an MBA can't make worse" was a bit too harsh. Now, I see it's actually accurate.
- dang 4y ago
  Flamewar comments will get you banned here, regardless of how wrong someone else is or you feel they are. If you'd please review https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and stick to the rules when posting here, we'd appreciate it.
bobkazamakis 4y ago
[flagged]
grapeskin 4y ago
MBAs aren’t something people are born into or end up through no choice of their own. Bigotry against MBAs is impossible. It’s like being a loan shark or pimp. People actively choose that life and society talks poorly about them because of the social harm they bring. There’s nothing stopping someone from washing their hands of any of those things and being productive.
- jollybean 4y ago
  - verve_rat 4y ago
    Your behaviour here isn't a good argument for this thread's feelings about MBAs being "obstinate or unreasonable".
  - at_a_remove 4y ago
    Most shysters are great communicators and quite a lot of fun to be around. It's how they operate.
  - badRNG 4y ago
    > "obstinate or unreasonable attachment to a belief, opinion, or faction; in particular, prejudice against a person or people on the basis of their membership of a particular group" This is just the fallacy of definition. Technically being anti-racist or anti-terrorism is "bigotry" on a fallaciously "strict" interpretation of some short definition of the word if one refuses to acknowledge its social and historical context (and how the word is used in the real world.)
  - deleted 4y ago
    [deleted]
  - Miraste 4y ago
    > MBA's are generally better communicators and much easier to get along with. This is exactly the problem. The MBA skill set is climbing corporate hierarchies. Not product design, customer service, empathy, or long-term thinking; only promotions. That's the whole reason anyone gets an MBA. MBAs often lack domain knowledge, but even when they have it, the MBA problem remains because their priorities are unrelated to product improvement. They spend their time ingratiating themselves and taking over the top layers of management, hiring more MBAs all the while, until a formerly functional company ends up like Boeing or Sculley's Apple. Too many MBAs will inevitably degrade product quality.
    - jollybean 4y ago
      "You can tell the witches by their propensity to gather with one another - which is proof indeed they are witches, and must be burned, lest they infect the rest of us good people!" My. God. Man. The amount of misunderstanding, arbitrarily 'made up stuff' and naive speculation on this thread ... it's just ridiculous. It's kind of general professional designation, and valuable education for those with no business background (though likely not useful unless from one of the better schools). I'll gather that more than 1/2 of them come from hard professional backgrounds (i.e. CFA, Finance, Eng, Science, Econ) and that they may not be directly oriented towards a specific 'role or trade' frankly is not that important. Almost everything that has been specifically said in this thread is a bit ridiculous (almost comical), and a lot of it kind of petty as well. "Those sneaky manipulators!" "Their priorities are this or that!" And really, really weird the amount of hyperbole here. I'm going to guess that maybe you don't really know MBA is (that's ok, it's not an insult, most people don't), and because you don't speak the language of finance, macro/micro economics, marketing, you may be inclined to assume that those things 'are not irrelevant', which is and oddly peculiar form of ironic glibness. It's a generalist designation. Some of them are good, some are not. It's not that big of a deal, and it's not at all like what some people are implying here.
shijie 4y ago
Not every critical or mean-spirited comment is bigotry. You got your fee-fees hurt because there’s probably some truth to the comment, even if it’s mean. Buck up, quit complaining, prove the parent comment wrong in your day-to-day work. Right now you’re just deepening a few MBA stereotypes at the moment.
- dang 4y ago
  Flamewar comments, name-calling, and personal attacks will get you banned here, regardless of how wrong someone else is or you feel they are. Please don't post like this to HN. If you wouldn't mind reviewing https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and taking the intended spirit of the site more to heart, we'd be grateful.
Bancakes 4y ago
- jollybean 4y ago
  I'm both a Software Engineer and an MBA, and I can assure you that you're wrong, and with a comedic, glib kind of 'Musk-ian' lack of self awareness that's weirdly common among technical types. I mean it's getting funny now, I was hoping that your comment was satire (!), alas, no.
  - Bancakes 4y ago
    >You're wrong because..... ugh! you just are, okay?!
    - dang 4y ago
      Posting like this will get you banned here. If you'd please review https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and stick to the rules when posting here, we'd appreciate it.
  - josefx 4y ago
    [flagged]
  - ben_w 4y ago
    You can only choose your own responses to what you experience, not other people's. Engineering without professional leadership leads to wasted effort, solutions in search of problems, and also occasional successes such as Linux. Leadership without engineering (or equivalent in other fields) is the B-Ark. If you let yourself respond with anger, no matter how justified you feel, you're going to end up in the second group — leadership is a position of strength, and if there's one thing people like even less than sore losers, it is sore winners.
  - dang 4y ago
    If you keep posting like this we're going to end up having to ban you again, so please stop. Flamewar comments are not ok, and personal attacks are very not ok. No more of this please, regardless of how wrong someone else is or you feel they are. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
Asooka 4y ago
Now that's bigotry.
aixi 4y ago
You're being responded by a bunch of resentful engineers, but you're correct; it's the definition of bigotry.
- dang 4y ago
  Flamewar comments will get you banned here, regardless of how wrong someone else is or you feel they are. If you'd please review https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and stick to the rules when posting here, we'd appreciate it.
  - aixi 4y ago
    yeah, my bad
verve_rat 4y ago
I hate to break it to you, but if you have a problem with 'technical types', this might not be the best place to hang out...
pjc50 4y ago
The problem here is the use of identity "I AM an MBA" rather than mere posession "I have an MBA" or even "I have been awarded an MBA". You've made a certificate into part of your identity and are getting into fights on that basis. "Engineer" can at least be a verb. I don't think MBA can?

dang 4y ago

Taking HN threads further into hellish flamewar is against the site guidelines, so please don't. Attacking someone personally is not ok. We're trying to avoid the online callout/shaming culture here: https://hn.algolia.com/?sort=byDate&type=comment&dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&query=online%20shaming%20by%3Adang https://hn.algolia.com/?sort=byDate&type=comment&dateRange=a... Having a flamewar about the definition of a word is particularly pointless because different people have very different associations with the same word—especially when you remember that this place literally has commenters coming from all over the world. Edit: you've unfortunately been breaking the site guidelines in other threads as well, e.g. here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32050947 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32050947. We eventually ban accounts that do that, so please don't do that. If you wouldn't mind reviewing https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and taking the intended spirit of the site more to heart, we'd be grateful.