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I was ranting about this 2 years ago and a lot of people laughed it off... I cited an auto start feature o VOLVO cars that required a siriusXM membership. It'

I was ranting about this 2 years ago and a lot of people laughed it off... I cited an auto start feature o VOLVO cars that required a siriusXM membership. It's unfathomable that we reached this point of monthly subscriptions being implemented on things that we've already paid for. It's the first sign that we're in for a wave of not feudalism, but outright economic slavery. There is no rational consumer protection against many predatory business practices, and many are eager to be a part of monthly subscriptions for useless services for lord knows what motivational reason. Mike Judge was a genius for making the movie Idiocracy, it's our future. No way around it now. :[

nathanaldensr 4y ago
There is a way, but you're not going to like it, and we can't discuss it on HN.
- mmmpop 4y ago
  Sweet, can you send me an invite to that Discord server??
- packetpocketsoc 4y ago
  where to?
- f6v 4y ago
  Does it start with “re” and and with “volution”?
- Bancakes 4y ago
  Something about the government, in minecraft.
- cbozeman 4y ago
  Why can't we? The American Founders literally wanted us to take up arms and kill people who violated our essential liberties. You can read this in their own books and papers. They were extremely clear about this... it isn't even up for debate, unless of course you're talking to a moron that's never actually read Jefferson, Washington, Madison, etc. If we reach a point where we can't even restate what our Founders said, we're already in our twilight as any kind of civilized liberal society. Now we can argue about what constitutes an "essential liberty". I'm not sure I'd put, "Heated seats in my BMW" in that category.
_ea1k 4y ago
> I cited an auto start feature o VOLVO cars that required a siriusXM membership. As much as I dislike that kind of fee, it at least makes sense. The remote communication support isn't free.
- dsr_ 4y ago
  Implementing it the way it used to be, with a proprietary radio remote, does not require any communications infrastructure support. 99.9% of the time this feature is used to start the car when the driver is within 50 feet. There's no need for it to be relayed through the Internet.
  - dotancohen 4y ago
    My Tesla Model 3 _can_ remote start the air conditioner via the cellular network, but it can also work via bluetooth if I'm within maybe 20 to 30 meters of the vehicle.
    - _ea1k 4y ago
      Of course, Tesla is also more friendly than these others and makes the service free.
  - seiferteric 4y ago
    This is something that bothers me as well, implementation decisions are what drives this a lot. I have a nest thermostat and it seems like the app decides to log me out randomly every once in a while and I have to go through the whole login/2fa process, sometimes in the middle of the night when trying to adjust the temp! There is no need for internet connected thermostat most of the time, I would much prefer Bluetooth with no login needed ever.
    - zasdffaa 4y ago
      Why have such a thing ad why tolerate it - I mean get rid of it or tell whoever owns it now to fix it. What is the value of these things?
simplyaccont 4y ago
volvo does not require siriusxm (which is satellite radio) for auto-start. it requires Volvo On Call subscription (you get one for free for first 3 years). And it's kinda reasonable, because Volvo On Call works via LTE and somebody needs to pay for it

nathanaldensr 4y ago

There is a way, but you're not going to like it, and we can't discuss it on HN.

mmmpop 4y ago
Sweet, can you send me an invite to that Discord server??
packetpocketsoc 4y ago
where to?
f6v 4y ago
Does it start with “re” and and with “volution”?
Bancakes 4y ago
Something about the government, in minecraft.
cbozeman 4y ago
Why can't we? The American Founders literally wanted us to take up arms and kill people who violated our essential liberties. You can read this in their own books and papers. They were extremely clear about this... it isn't even up for debate, unless of course you're talking to a moron that's never actually read Jefferson, Washington, Madison, etc. If we reach a point where we can't even restate what our Founders said, we're already in our twilight as any kind of civilized liberal society. Now we can argue about what constitutes an "essential liberty". I'm not sure I'd put, "Heated seats in my BMW" in that category.

_ea1k 4y ago

> I cited an auto start feature o VOLVO cars that required a siriusXM membership. As much as I dislike that kind of fee, it at least makes sense. The remote communication support isn't free.

dsr_ 4y ago
Implementing it the way it used to be, with a proprietary radio remote, does not require any communications infrastructure support. 99.9% of the time this feature is used to start the car when the driver is within 50 feet. There's no need for it to be relayed through the Internet.
- dotancohen 4y ago
  My Tesla Model 3 _can_ remote start the air conditioner via the cellular network, but it can also work via bluetooth if I'm within maybe 20 to 30 meters of the vehicle.
  - _ea1k 4y ago
    Of course, Tesla is also more friendly than these others and makes the service free.
- seiferteric 4y ago
  This is something that bothers me as well, implementation decisions are what drives this a lot. I have a nest thermostat and it seems like the app decides to log me out randomly every once in a while and I have to go through the whole login/2fa process, sometimes in the middle of the night when trying to adjust the temp! There is no need for internet connected thermostat most of the time, I would much prefer Bluetooth with no login needed ever.
  - zasdffaa 4y ago
    Why have such a thing ad why tolerate it - I mean get rid of it or tell whoever owns it now to fix it. What is the value of these things?

simplyaccont 4y ago

volvo does not require siriusxm (which is satellite radio) for auto-start. it requires Volvo On Call subscription (you get one for free for first 3 years). And it's kinda reasonable, because Volvo On Call works via LTE and somebody needs to pay for it