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I’ve heard the power dynamics argument before and admittedly it’s never held much weight for me. There are just too many edge cases for a heuristic like that to

I’ve heard the power dynamics argument before and admittedly it’s never held much weight for me. There are just too many edge cases for a heuristic like that to make any sense, in my mind. So culturally powerless people may extract from culturally powerful people until what point? If a Ukrainian appropriates a part of Russian culture to be their own, who is the victim here? Recently, being Ukrainian has become a much more respected cultural identity than being a Russian, does that mean the power dynamic has shifted? The more you pick away at the idea of cultural appropriation, you realize that the rules people set out for it make very little sense outside of the egregious examples of something like headdresses at Coachella, etc. My personal rule is just not to disrespect people and parts of their culture they find important. The color of my skin or the actions of either of our ancestors shouldn’t play into it, IMO.

burrows 4y ago
> My personal rule is just not to disrespect people and parts of their culture they find important. What even is named by the word “disrespect”? Is disrespecting me just any behavior that I call “disrespectful”? Seems like bullshit to me.
- honkdaddy 4y ago
  To me, disrespecting you is any behaviour which _I_ find disrespectful. If I was mistaken, I'd apologize. I can't control how you feel, burrows, I can only control what I say.
  - burrows 4y ago
throwawayacc2 4y ago
> My personal rule is just not to disrespect people and parts of their culture they find important In the Simbari culture, it is considered important for young boys to be taken away from their families, be beaten and forced to fellate the older members of the tribe. Does your personal rule of not disrespecting "people and parts of their culture" hold in their case? Link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simbari_people https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simbari_people
- honkdaddy 4y ago
  In Hebrew culture, it is considered important to remove part of the genitals of an infant boy in a long and bloody ceremony. Personally I'd never subjugate myself or my kin to it, but I know plenty of Jewish people and have never tried to debate them about it. If a Simbari person wanted to have an earnest discussion about whether the practice you're describing was acceptable, I'd of course tell them that I think it's barbaric and insane. But if you're asking whether I'd seek out Simbari people out to tell them I feel that way? No, I would not. So my heuristic holds true, but I do appreciate the gotcha :)

burrows 4y ago

> My personal rule is just not to disrespect people and parts of their culture they find important. What even is named by the word “disrespect”? Is disrespecting me just any behavior that I call “disrespectful”? Seems like bullshit to me.

honkdaddy 4y ago
To me, disrespecting you is any behaviour which _I_ find disrespectful. If I was mistaken, I'd apologize. I can't control how you feel, burrows, I can only control what I say.
- burrows 4y ago

throwawayacc2 4y ago

> My personal rule is just not to disrespect people and parts of their culture they find important In the Simbari culture, it is considered important for young boys to be taken away from their families, be beaten and forced to fellate the older members of the tribe. Does your personal rule of not disrespecting "people and parts of their culture" hold in their case? Link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simbari_people https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simbari_people

honkdaddy 4y ago
In Hebrew culture, it is considered important to remove part of the genitals of an infant boy in a long and bloody ceremony. Personally I'd never subjugate myself or my kin to it, but I know plenty of Jewish people and have never tried to debate them about it. If a Simbari person wanted to have an earnest discussion about whether the practice you're describing was acceptable, I'd of course tell them that I think it's barbaric and insane. But if you're asking whether I'd seek out Simbari people out to tell them I feel that way? No, I would not. So my heuristic holds true, but I do appreciate the gotcha :)