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Perhaps you should read the article again and again and again. Zelenskyy was Holomoisky's protege and if he was calling for better relations with Russia years

Perhaps you should read the article again and again and again. Zelenskyy was Holomoisky's protege and if he was calling for better relations with Russia years ago then perhaps Zelenskyy's regime should have listened, rather than follow the path which has precipitated this invasion by Russia.

_kbh_ 4y ago
I dont know why you think this war would have been avoided with 'better relations' with Russia, the only way that this would be avoided would have been if Ukraine became a vassal stake of Russia like Belarus is right now.
- vfclists 4y ago
  If you want to put this way how is Ukraine being a a vassal state of Russia that different from Germany being a vassal state of the US by submitting to sanctions blocking the opening of NordStream II which the Germans were looking forward to opening?
  - _kbh_ 4y ago
    Perhaps Germany thinks that economically hurting Russia is more important than finishing the pipeline?. There is not an option of vassal state of America or Russia. The choices are living under what is at least trying to be a democracy versus being a slave state to Russia.
    - vfclists 4y ago
      > Perhaps Germany thinks that economically hurting Russia is more important than finishing the pipeline? Sounds like the guy holding a hammer before another guy and saying "I know you think I'm being cruel to you, but believe me when I say this is going to hurt me more than it hurts you" and proceeds to strike how own shin hard with the hammer. > The choices are living under what is at least trying to be a democracy versus being a slave state to Russia. Oh there. That "democracy" word. Like how America waged long destructive wars in order to bring "democracy" to Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan resulting in 100s of thousands if not millions of deaths. So now we are going to have a long war in the Ukraine for "democracy" which is nothing more than having gay pride parades. America is that wonderful "democracy" where monthly insulin treatments cost hundreds of dollars, and the walking wounded in vehicle accidents would rather make their way to the hospital on their own rather than have an nearby ambulance take them for fear of the $3000 bills they may be hit with for a journey less than 30 minutes. The wonderful democracy when many families do not even have $400 of savings to weather a medical emergency. I would say low-income Americans are being terrorised with fear of destitution by the own "democratic" Govt, inspite of the US being the wealthiest country in the world. There is as much democracy in Ukraine as there is in Russia. I believe Ukraine's ruling regime ranked lowest on the corruption index, and now its democratic leaders are the toast of the free world for standing against Russia. A free world where bodily autonomy was rudely sacrificed for the sake of ineffectual Covid vaccines. I could go on and on about the flaws of the "so-called" free world but you would find that boring. Go read this - https://carnegieendowment.org/2019/06/20/thirty-years-of-u.s.-policy-toward-russia-can-vicious-circle-be-broken-pub-79323 https://carnegieendowment.org/2019/06/20/thirty-years-of-u.s...
      - _kbh_ 4y ago
        Ukraine is a sovereign country and they are fighting for their right to exist, Russia doesn’t believe they have that right. Russia wishes to entirely wipeout Ukrainian culture and people from this planet. This is less about “gay pride parades” and more about a country being a sovereign entity that is allowed to make its own decisions. It’s clear that Russia doesn’t view a number of the post soviet states as sovereign. Do you support this was from Russia?. You should also know that America isn’t the only democracy in the world.

_kbh_ 4y ago

I dont know why you think this war would have been avoided with 'better relations' with Russia, the only way that this would be avoided would have been if Ukraine became a vassal stake of Russia like Belarus is right now.

vfclists 4y ago
If you want to put this way how is Ukraine being a a vassal state of Russia that different from Germany being a vassal state of the US by submitting to sanctions blocking the opening of NordStream II which the Germans were looking forward to opening?
- _kbh_ 4y ago
  Perhaps Germany thinks that economically hurting Russia is more important than finishing the pipeline?. There is not an option of vassal state of America or Russia. The choices are living under what is at least trying to be a democracy versus being a slave state to Russia.
  - vfclists 4y ago
    > Perhaps Germany thinks that economically hurting Russia is more important than finishing the pipeline? Sounds like the guy holding a hammer before another guy and saying "I know you think I'm being cruel to you, but believe me when I say this is going to hurt me more than it hurts you" and proceeds to strike how own shin hard with the hammer. > The choices are living under what is at least trying to be a democracy versus being a slave state to Russia. Oh there. That "democracy" word. Like how America waged long destructive wars in order to bring "democracy" to Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan resulting in 100s of thousands if not millions of deaths. So now we are going to have a long war in the Ukraine for "democracy" which is nothing more than having gay pride parades. America is that wonderful "democracy" where monthly insulin treatments cost hundreds of dollars, and the walking wounded in vehicle accidents would rather make their way to the hospital on their own rather than have an nearby ambulance take them for fear of the $3000 bills they may be hit with for a journey less than 30 minutes. The wonderful democracy when many families do not even have $400 of savings to weather a medical emergency. I would say low-income Americans are being terrorised with fear of destitution by the own "democratic" Govt, inspite of the US being the wealthiest country in the world. There is as much democracy in Ukraine as there is in Russia. I believe Ukraine's ruling regime ranked lowest on the corruption index, and now its democratic leaders are the toast of the free world for standing against Russia. A free world where bodily autonomy was rudely sacrificed for the sake of ineffectual Covid vaccines. I could go on and on about the flaws of the "so-called" free world but you would find that boring. Go read this - https://carnegieendowment.org/2019/06/20/thirty-years-of-u.s.-policy-toward-russia-can-vicious-circle-be-broken-pub-79323 https://carnegieendowment.org/2019/06/20/thirty-years-of-u.s...
    - _kbh_ 4y ago
      Ukraine is a sovereign country and they are fighting for their right to exist, Russia doesn’t believe they have that right. Russia wishes to entirely wipeout Ukrainian culture and people from this planet. This is less about “gay pride parades” and more about a country being a sovereign entity that is allowed to make its own decisions. It’s clear that Russia doesn’t view a number of the post soviet states as sovereign. Do you support this was from Russia?. You should also know that America isn’t the only democracy in the world.