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>So here's where I'm coming from: Putting food on the table as a result of your work is satisfying and a source of pride. Not being able to do it is shameful. T

>So here's where I'm coming from: Putting food on the table as a result of your work is satisfying and a source of pride. Not being able to do it is shameful. This is a fundamental dynamic. You act like this is a fundamental feature of humanity; it's not. Its a learned response to thousands of years of scarcity. There were plenty of societies where food was plentiful and thus they never developed this sort of social conditioning. In a world where food, shelter, necessities are plentiful people will be freed up to gain social standing through creative endeavors. Or perhaps we'll do away with our need to rank each other based on arbitrary metrics. I welcome this future.

oelewapperke 15y ago
You mean the dark ages ? And of course, times in history when living was actually worse than in the dark ages. I love how people think today. My grandfather was a colonial doctor, and he actually participated once or twice in a group that approached a tribal society, with more than enough food for all members of the tribe. They did the very same thing then as a completely unrelated tribe on a different continent did to the national geographic crew that approached them. http://www.neatorama.com/2008/05/30/uncontacted-amazon-tribe-attacks-helicopter-with-arrows/ http://www.neatorama.com/2008/05/30/uncontacted-amazon-tribe... Those "plentiful" societies are very different, but they share 2 properties : 1) it's law of the jungle. Kill or be killed. Being a member of the tribe basically entitles you to not be automatically attacked the moment they see you. That's it. 2) the most progressive form of government to be found there is a violent dictatorship, with violent "revolutions" every few years. (the worst ? The same, but every few months). Regularly the new leader decides to eradicate half the tribe. This is what you're referring to ?

oelewapperke 15y ago

You mean the dark ages ? And of course, times in history when living was actually worse than in the dark ages. I love how people think today. My grandfather was a colonial doctor, and he actually participated once or twice in a group that approached a tribal society, with more than enough food for all members of the tribe. They did the very same thing then as a completely unrelated tribe on a different continent did to the national geographic crew that approached them. http://www.neatorama.com/2008/05/30/uncontacted-amazon-tribe-attacks-helicopter-with-arrows/ http://www.neatorama.com/2008/05/30/uncontacted-amazon-tribe... Those "plentiful" societies are very different, but they share 2 properties : 1) it's law of the jungle. Kill or be killed. Being a member of the tribe basically entitles you to not be automatically attacked the moment they see you. That's it. 2) the most progressive form of government to be found there is a violent dictatorship, with violent "revolutions" every few years. (the worst ? The same, but every few months). Regularly the new leader decides to eradicate half the tribe. This is what you're referring to ?