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> Not that the cars still have significant quality, just the brand recognition is left. This. Have plastics coming off of my bmw and porsche. Both premium germ

> Not that the cars still have significant quality, just the brand recognition is left. This. Have plastics coming off of my bmw and porsche. Both premium german carmakes. Friends bmw has electronics going hay wire, faulty control boards, bluetooth needs resetting by turning the car on and off and so on. Also the amount of times there are recalls made in the us while in europe you have to pay for solving the same issue is ridiculous. BMWs are infamous for a timing chain issue where it can loosen and snap damaging the engine. Porsche had an axle carrier issue that was recalled in europe years after the us. Oh and dont get me started on their customer service quality. All in all not buying german brands again. Used to be ok but not anymore. They turbine them to death and “improve” dashboards here and there but thats it. Boring old tech.

kjhgkjghkj 4y ago
They are not designed to be owned.
- yrgulation 4y ago
  Correct. They are designed to be serviced.
  - fellerts 4y ago
    Serviced by a professional, mind you. Good luck fixing anything on a modern car yourself.
    - yrgulation 4y ago
      All you need is an obd reader and a hammer! /s In all honesty i did replace my porsche’s window switch myself by following enthusiast youtube tutorials. Buttons were falling off, naturally. Plenty of videos about the issue on 911s and 981s. Connector was like a regular pc connector and the panel came off easily. The bmw has issues with the rear controller. Will fix that myself as well since the “professional” didn't “detect” an issue.
  - kjhgkjghkj 4y ago
    I'm not sure about that. Any of the pro automotive repair youtubers have a lot to say about service items (cheap gaskets, seals, etc) being hidden behind so many parts that the job is not economical to do. That, and the cost/availability of spares.
regularfry 4y ago
You're more right than you know. The big German brands are iterating towards having chunks of their build completely outsourced. The initial design and branding is centrally owned, but if you've bought in the last 10 years, you might well have a physical object actually assembled by Magna Steyr.

kjhgkjghkj 4y ago

They are not designed to be owned.

yrgulation 4y ago
Correct. They are designed to be serviced.
- fellerts 4y ago
  Serviced by a professional, mind you. Good luck fixing anything on a modern car yourself.
  - yrgulation 4y ago
    All you need is an obd reader and a hammer! /s In all honesty i did replace my porsche’s window switch myself by following enthusiast youtube tutorials. Buttons were falling off, naturally. Plenty of videos about the issue on 911s and 981s. Connector was like a regular pc connector and the panel came off easily. The bmw has issues with the rear controller. Will fix that myself as well since the “professional” didn't “detect” an issue.
- kjhgkjghkj 4y ago
  I'm not sure about that. Any of the pro automotive repair youtubers have a lot to say about service items (cheap gaskets, seals, etc) being hidden behind so many parts that the job is not economical to do. That, and the cost/availability of spares.

regularfry 4y ago

You're more right than you know. The big German brands are iterating towards having chunks of their build completely outsourced. The initial design and branding is centrally owned, but if you've bought in the last 10 years, you might well have a physical object actually assembled by Magna Steyr.