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This is being treated as a failure of organic farming by mainstream media. Dow Chemical and Monsanto (which technically doesn't exist anymore; "Bayer BASF" now,

by ncmncm 4y ago

This is being treated as a failure of organic farming by mainstream media. Dow Chemical and Monsanto (which technically doesn't exist anymore; "Bayer BASF" now, maybe) would really like us to think so, and Big Media is always happy to do their part. But it was obviously really just massive government incompetence. It has been known for decades how to transition to organic methods successfully: incrementally, and with education. Both skipped. After a sensible transition, yields could be lower, per acre, but not necessarily. Money spent on fertilizer and pesticides would be much lower than that. Money previously sent abroad would have stayed in Sri Lanka, milling around in the local economy generating prosperity. Now they have chaos, and it will take a long time to get back to their previous, precarious state, probably in hock to China. Dow and BASF will get themselves well locked in; other countries will be spooked. A big success, for them. Not so for Sri Lankans.

flakyfilibuster 4y ago
Thank you, I thought it was quite curious that the leading phase in the coverage was organic farming this and that - it is also rather difficult to find a different take on this. Are all news outlets sourcing their info from the same outlet when it comes to foreign affairs?
- netsharc 4y ago
  If the media doesn't mention that the fertilizer ban was a "money saving" idea from one of the corrupt leaders, it's pretty myopic...
- JohnHaugeland 4y ago
  No, there are dozens of sources "Mainstream media" means that someone is trying to spread doubt, and knows very little from audited sources. It's an extreme red flag
  - ncmncm 4y ago
    "Extreme red flag" is an extreme red flag.
ngc248 4y ago
Similar to how the switch from non-renewable to renewable sources of energy can't be done in a jiffy, the switch to organic from non-organic cant be done in a matter of years. The yields are too low with organic farming. This lead them to importing food, for which they obviously they need foreign reserves and so on the cycle.
- ncmncm 4y ago
  > The yields are too low with organic farming. Always repeated, never justified. Too low for what, exactly? Not too low to feed Sri Lankans. Maybe too low for that and also as much of export crops as had been needed to pay to import massive amounts of fertilizer and pesticide. Importing food would be a much better use of foreign-trade money than importing pesticides.
JohnHaugeland 4y ago
The second someone says "mainstream media," it's impossible to take them seriously
- ncmncm 4y ago
  The second someone says,"The second someone says 'mainstream media', it's impossible to take them seriously," it's impossible to take them seriously. But we already knew from the byline.
  - JohnHaugeland 4y ago
    You're trying too hard.
nisa 4y ago
BBC had a good article explaining the causes: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-61028138 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-61028138 Government amassed huge amounts of debt in foreign currency for dubious projects. The forced switch to organic farming was a desperate measure to avoid loosing foreign currency and for sure didn't help but it was not the cause. This wasn't an planned movement to organic farming. They just couldn't pay for fertilizer. Also pretty crazy that IMF still sings the same song: privatize your most important assets and reduce the public sector to create even more jobless people. Why just why do countries ask Putin and China for credit? Not that they are any better: Also lot's of debt from China for white elephant infrastructure projects - which is a know strategy from them. So they couldn't pay and now China controls the port in Sri Lanka.

by ncmncm 4y ago

flakyfilibuster 4y ago

Thank you, I thought it was quite curious that the leading phase in the coverage was organic farming this and that - it is also rather difficult to find a different take on this. Are all news outlets sourcing their info from the same outlet when it comes to foreign affairs?

netsharc 4y ago
If the media doesn't mention that the fertilizer ban was a "money saving" idea from one of the corrupt leaders, it's pretty myopic...
JohnHaugeland 4y ago
No, there are dozens of sources "Mainstream media" means that someone is trying to spread doubt, and knows very little from audited sources. It's an extreme red flag
- ncmncm 4y ago
  "Extreme red flag" is an extreme red flag.

ngc248 4y ago

Similar to how the switch from non-renewable to renewable sources of energy can't be done in a jiffy, the switch to organic from non-organic cant be done in a matter of years. The yields are too low with organic farming. This lead them to importing food, for which they obviously they need foreign reserves and so on the cycle.

ncmncm 4y ago
> The yields are too low with organic farming. Always repeated, never justified. Too low for what, exactly? Not too low to feed Sri Lankans. Maybe too low for that and also as much of export crops as had been needed to pay to import massive amounts of fertilizer and pesticide. Importing food would be a much better use of foreign-trade money than importing pesticides.

JohnHaugeland 4y ago

The second someone says "mainstream media," it's impossible to take them seriously

ncmncm 4y ago
The second someone says,"The second someone says 'mainstream media', it's impossible to take them seriously," it's impossible to take them seriously. But we already knew from the byline.
- JohnHaugeland 4y ago
  You're trying too hard.

nisa 4y ago

BBC had a good article explaining the causes: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-61028138 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-61028138 Government amassed huge amounts of debt in foreign currency for dubious projects. The forced switch to organic farming was a desperate measure to avoid loosing foreign currency and for sure didn't help but it was not the cause. This wasn't an planned movement to organic farming. They just couldn't pay for fertilizer. Also pretty crazy that IMF still sings the same song: privatize your most important assets and reduce the public sector to create even more jobless people. Why just why do countries ask Putin and China for credit? Not that they are any better: Also lot's of debt from China for white elephant infrastructure projects - which is a know strategy from them. So they couldn't pay and now China controls the port in Sri Lanka.