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Russia doesn't get to conquer territory and demand the ceding of other countries territories to them. Russia needs to be dismantled military and ideally should

by _kbh_ 4y ago

Russia doesn't get to conquer territory and demand the ceding of other countries territories to them. Russia needs to be dismantled military and ideally should be denuclearised they have proven they cannot play at the table with adults. This is a rough war for everyone, but its a war that unfortunately needs to happen, Russia must have a decisive defeat or they will continue behaving how they have been for years now which is bad for the entire world.

pydry 4y ago
What you refer to as the adults is a vicious empire that imprisons its journalists, supports brutal dictatorships and topples democratically elected governments and invades on a whim committing war crimes. This is our gang - the "good guys", who just so happen to mimic Russia's worst excesses when push comes to shove. Now our gang is fighting a proxy war with another nuclear gang because we cant deal with the result of a democratic vote to join Russia in a place that speaks exclusively Russian. And we're being asked to freeze to death out of sympathy.
- _kbh_ 4y ago
  Im not sure theres any evidence that the 'good guys' you seem very keen to compare to the Russians, raped and killed children, mass looted everywhere they went and deported or executed everyone over a certain age in regions. The Russians aren't soldiers like the west expects. Im sure your opinion would be different if it was your friends and family be executed and raped.
  - pydry 4y ago
    This is all pretty routine in most wars. E.g. for every action taken by Russia in Ukraine we have condemned with fervor (e.g. "bombing a hospital") western media have tried to justify the same behavior in Israel ("but there were militants there!"). In Yemen we dont even really try to justify the war crimes we just ignore them and keep sending weapons in Saudi's war of aggression. The war crimes committed by Azov since 2014 we are equally indifferent to because hey, it's Russia and those Nazis are good fighters. This war is purely a clash of empires. NATO are happy to discard all of the principles we purport to represent AND sacrifice the wellbeing of all Europeans even if all we do is give Russia a black eye.
    - _kbh_ 4y ago
      Mass rapes are not 'routine' for most wars. Its an atrocity that is being committed by Russia against Ukraine. Just like how it was an atrocity when other countries mass rapped people. This war is purely Russias, it is a war of aggression designed to wipe out a cultural, a people, its genocide. That Russia is committing genocide in Ukraine is unsurprising they already did this before during the USSR with the holodomor. Russia is solely responsible for this war. It's lucky that a lot of Europe is happy to sacrifice both its weapons and some of its economy to stop the authoritarian beast just like they did in WW2.
      - pydry 4y ago
        Are you refering specifically to Lyudmila Denisova's rape accusations? They were pretty serious, yeah. Genocide has quite a high bar. Biden's opinion is currently that what Russia is doing doesnt meet it.
        _kbh_ 4y ago
        > Are you refering specifically to Lyudmila Denisova's rape accusations? They were pretty serious. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexual_violence_in_the_2022_Russian_invasion_of_Ukraine https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexual_violence_in_the_2022_Ru... just pick anyone of them. > Genocide has quite a high bar. Biden's opinion is currently that what Russia is doing doesnt meet it. Genocide is certainly a high bar and the Russians are certainly doing their very best to meet it, its arguable if they are meeting it but per the definition of the UN they are easily meeting it. https://www.un.org/en/genocideprevention/genocide.shtml https://www.un.org/en/genocideprevention/genocide.shtml Even without anything else Russia is already doing. > Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.
        pydry 4y ago
        >just pick anyone of them. That one is notable because she had zero evidence and said she was doing it to ensure Ukraine got more weapons. Wikipedia refers to her accusations but leaves the part out where she was fired for doing that. Your team (Azov) committed rape all the way back in 2014, as documented by OHCHR: http://www.ohchr.org/Documents/Countries/UA/Ukraine_14th_HRMMU_Report.pdf http://www.ohchr.org/Documents/Countries/UA/Ukraine_14th_HRM...
- dodgerdan 4y ago
  Democratic vote? Are you high. They executed and disappeared any opposition.
argentier 4y ago
And which 'adults' are going to do the dismantling? I'll wait. This kind of aggressive know-nothing 'naivety on the warpath' is all too common at the moment. It might get us all killed.

by _kbh_ 4y ago

pydry 4y ago

What you refer to as the adults is a vicious empire that imprisons its journalists, supports brutal dictatorships and topples democratically elected governments and invades on a whim committing war crimes. This is our gang - the "good guys", who just so happen to mimic Russia's worst excesses when push comes to shove. Now our gang is fighting a proxy war with another nuclear gang because we cant deal with the result of a democratic vote to join Russia in a place that speaks exclusively Russian. And we're being asked to freeze to death out of sympathy.

_kbh_ 4y ago
Im not sure theres any evidence that the 'good guys' you seem very keen to compare to the Russians, raped and killed children, mass looted everywhere they went and deported or executed everyone over a certain age in regions. The Russians aren't soldiers like the west expects. Im sure your opinion would be different if it was your friends and family be executed and raped.
- pydry 4y ago
  This is all pretty routine in most wars. E.g. for every action taken by Russia in Ukraine we have condemned with fervor (e.g. "bombing a hospital") western media have tried to justify the same behavior in Israel ("but there were militants there!"). In Yemen we dont even really try to justify the war crimes we just ignore them and keep sending weapons in Saudi's war of aggression. The war crimes committed by Azov since 2014 we are equally indifferent to because hey, it's Russia and those Nazis are good fighters. This war is purely a clash of empires. NATO are happy to discard all of the principles we purport to represent AND sacrifice the wellbeing of all Europeans even if all we do is give Russia a black eye.
  - _kbh_ 4y ago
    Mass rapes are not 'routine' for most wars. Its an atrocity that is being committed by Russia against Ukraine. Just like how it was an atrocity when other countries mass rapped people. This war is purely Russias, it is a war of aggression designed to wipe out a cultural, a people, its genocide. That Russia is committing genocide in Ukraine is unsurprising they already did this before during the USSR with the holodomor. Russia is solely responsible for this war. It's lucky that a lot of Europe is happy to sacrifice both its weapons and some of its economy to stop the authoritarian beast just like they did in WW2.
    - pydry 4y ago
      Are you refering specifically to Lyudmila Denisova's rape accusations? They were pretty serious, yeah. Genocide has quite a high bar. Biden's opinion is currently that what Russia is doing doesnt meet it.
      - _kbh_ 4y ago
        > Are you refering specifically to Lyudmila Denisova's rape accusations? They were pretty serious. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexual_violence_in_the_2022_Russian_invasion_of_Ukraine https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexual_violence_in_the_2022_Ru... just pick anyone of them. > Genocide has quite a high bar. Biden's opinion is currently that what Russia is doing doesnt meet it. Genocide is certainly a high bar and the Russians are certainly doing their very best to meet it, its arguable if they are meeting it but per the definition of the UN they are easily meeting it. https://www.un.org/en/genocideprevention/genocide.shtml https://www.un.org/en/genocideprevention/genocide.shtml Even without anything else Russia is already doing. > Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.
        pydry 4y ago
        >just pick anyone of them. That one is notable because she had zero evidence and said she was doing it to ensure Ukraine got more weapons. Wikipedia refers to her accusations but leaves the part out where she was fired for doing that. Your team (Azov) committed rape all the way back in 2014, as documented by OHCHR: http://www.ohchr.org/Documents/Countries/UA/Ukraine_14th_HRMMU_Report.pdf http://www.ohchr.org/Documents/Countries/UA/Ukraine_14th_HRM...
dodgerdan 4y ago
Democratic vote? Are you high. They executed and disappeared any opposition.

argentier 4y ago

And which 'adults' are going to do the dismantling? I'll wait. This kind of aggressive know-nothing 'naivety on the warpath' is all too common at the moment. It might get us all killed.