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Trolls are the only people saying this. Part of the motivation for the name change was to avoid being named the same as the bird. https://greekreporter.com/2022

Trolls are the only people saying this. Part of the motivation for the name change was to avoid being named the same as the bird. https://greekreporter.com/2022/06/07/petition-change-name-turkey-bird-turkiye/ https://greekreporter.com/2022/06/07/petition-change-name-tu...

adrian_b 4y ago
But the turkey bird was named after the country Turkey, because the British wrongly believed that these birds are imported from Turkey. Similarly inappropriate names are used in French and in Portuguese, based on wrong beliefs about the origin of the turkey birds (from India or from Peru). While in French the relationship between "dinde" and "d'Inde" is less obvious, Peru might object on the same grounds as Turkey to the turkey being called "peru" in Portuguese. I believe that is always better to use the native names of countries, places, people and so on, but unfortunately, it is not realistic to expect that most native English speakers will ever be able to pronounce most foreign names in a way resembling their original pronunciation. Even for the countries whose names happen to be written in the same way in English as in their own language, the English speakers pronounce them very differently, mainly because they are habituated to correspondences between vowel letters and vowel sounds that are unlike those used in any other language.
- someotherperson 4y ago
  Fun fact: the word for orange (the fruit) in Arabic and Turkish is named after Portugal the country :)
  - burtuqal 4y ago
    Double fun fact, it's the other way around :)
  - adrian_b 4y ago
    That is also true at least for Albanian, Bulgarian, Greek and Romanian, and possibly also for other languages of countries that had been dominated by the Turkish Empire.
Fred27 4y ago
Let's rename the bird too and then see what happens.

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Trolls are the only people saying this. Part of the motivation for the name change was to avoid being named the same as the bird. https://greekreporter.com/2022

by concinds 4y ago

adrian_b 4y ago
But the turkey bird was named after the country Turkey, because the British wrongly believed that these birds are imported from Turkey. Similarly inappropriate names are used in French and in Portuguese, based on wrong beliefs about the origin of the turkey birds (from India or from Peru). While in French the relationship between "dinde" and "d'Inde" is less obvious, Peru might object on the same grounds as Turkey to the turkey being called "peru" in Portuguese. I believe that is always better to use the native names of countries, places, people and so on, but unfortunately, it is not realistic to expect that most native English speakers will ever be able to pronounce most foreign names in a way resembling their original pronunciation. Even for the countries whose names happen to be written in the same way in English as in their own language, the English speakers pronounce them very differently, mainly because they are habituated to correspondences between vowel letters and vowel sounds that are unlike those used in any other language.
- someotherperson 4y ago
  Fun fact: the word for orange (the fruit) in Arabic and Turkish is named after Portugal the country :)
  - burtuqal 4y ago
    Double fun fact, it's the other way around :)
  - adrian_b 4y ago
    That is also true at least for Albanian, Bulgarian, Greek and Romanian, and possibly also for other languages of countries that had been dominated by the Turkish Empire.
Fred27 4y ago
Let's rename the bird too and then see what happens.