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> It's the working and middle classes that are most harmed by immigration. Didn't farmers complain that British (working class?)citizens[1] weren't up for pick

> It's the working and middle classes that are most harmed by immigration. Didn't farmers complain that British (working class?)citizens[1] weren't up for picking fruits after East Europeans hit the Brexit? The same working & middle class rely on cheap fruits, so it's not a simple equation where fewer immigrants = better jobs. 1. https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-suffolk-61568286 https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-suffolk-61568286

thrown_22 4y ago
I'm not sure how to respond without being glib, but there's more to life than fruit. Safe working conditions are worth 5 pound strawberries.
- sangnoir 4y ago
  Sure - there's more to life than fruit, massages, receiving trucked goods, and being attended to by health techs - but add it all up and you're missing quite a huge chunk of "life", IMO.
  - thrown_22 4y ago
    If a system depends on disposable workers to provide those things than it's not a system we should be supporting. We need to figure out how to provide a wage large enough to provide for everyone, not just the lucky few who have an army of slaves to meet their needs. Currently we don't and we are stealing the human capital of the second world to support our failing countries.
    - random314 4y ago
      The strawman is now a strawarmy!
- hnhg 4y ago
  Why do you assume they're unsafe? That's not in the article. It appears you've created a strawman.
wewxjfq 4y ago
Or you could try to stop the race to the bottom and pay the working class more so they can afford strawberries that aren't picked by wage slaves.
Gollapalli 4y ago
There's a difference between a complaint and a reality. British working class citizens likely wouldn't wish to pick fruits, at the wages that British farmers wish to pay them. Actually, that's sort of the point. British working class labour being undercut by foreign labour.
- emsixteen 4y ago
  "Undercut"? You're getting there.
- sangnoir 4y ago
  > Actually, that's sort of the point. British working class labour being undercut by foreign labour. Sure, that may work in a purely hypothetical construct with rational economic agents, no second-order effects, farmers that are OK with going out of business, no political pandering, a the Conservative government that cares about labor (the class) and spherical cows. Why are the anti-immigration politicians, now that they have "taken back control" - still keeping the immigration pipeline running? Just with fewer EU immigrants. Blaming foreign laborers for systemic problems is a lazy cop-out: that is the bloc with the least say.

thrown_22 4y ago

I'm not sure how to respond without being glib, but there's more to life than fruit. Safe working conditions are worth 5 pound strawberries.

sangnoir 4y ago
Sure - there's more to life than fruit, massages, receiving trucked goods, and being attended to by health techs - but add it all up and you're missing quite a huge chunk of "life", IMO.
- thrown_22 4y ago
  If a system depends on disposable workers to provide those things than it's not a system we should be supporting. We need to figure out how to provide a wage large enough to provide for everyone, not just the lucky few who have an army of slaves to meet their needs. Currently we don't and we are stealing the human capital of the second world to support our failing countries.
  - random314 4y ago
    The strawman is now a strawarmy!
hnhg 4y ago
Why do you assume they're unsafe? That's not in the article. It appears you've created a strawman.

wewxjfq 4y ago

Or you could try to stop the race to the bottom and pay the working class more so they can afford strawberries that aren't picked by wage slaves.

Gollapalli 4y ago

There's a difference between a complaint and a reality. British working class citizens likely wouldn't wish to pick fruits, at the wages that British farmers wish to pay them. Actually, that's sort of the point. British working class labour being undercut by foreign labour.

emsixteen 4y ago
"Undercut"? You're getting there.
sangnoir 4y ago
> Actually, that's sort of the point. British working class labour being undercut by foreign labour. Sure, that may work in a purely hypothetical construct with rational economic agents, no second-order effects, farmers that are OK with going out of business, no political pandering, a the Conservative government that cares about labor (the class) and spherical cows. Why are the anti-immigration politicians, now that they have "taken back control" - still keeping the immigration pipeline running? Just with fewer EU immigrants. Blaming foreign laborers for systemic problems is a lazy cop-out: that is the bloc with the least say.