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> I agree that immigrants are a good thing. Especially illegal immigrants if they have no way to benefit from tax benefits but are forced to pay into it This i

by bruceb 4y ago

> I agree that immigrants are a good thing. Especially illegal immigrants if they have no way to benefit from tax benefits but are forced to pay into it This is misstating the situation. 1. People working under the table don't pay taxes. 2. Those who do pay taxes are not earning that much as such not paying much tax 3. They do get benefits. For example CA gave illegal immigrants payments. https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/california-give-cash-payments-immigrants-hurt-virus-70169631 https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/california-give-cash-pay... Immigration is complex. Filled with bad faith and misleading arguments from many sides.

notch656a 4y ago
I know for instance Norway has suggested allowing illegal immigrants onward voyage to Svalbard where there are no public benefits but also no visa requirements to work, which allow them to technically stay in Norway and still have work authorization without becoming a public charge. I think this kind of clever problem solving is really the kind we need to overcome some of these challenges.
- komadori 4y ago
  There are no public benefits in Svalbard because they send anyone who can't support themselves back to Norway. The economy is small and dominated by a few state-owned employers who own almost all the housing and rent it to their employees. Sending illegal immigrants from Norway to Svalbard is not a practical suggestion.
  - notch656a 4y ago
    Norway's own politicians and people were the ones suggesting it. Not being Norwegian myself I'm relying on those in Norway to suggest these ideas. Both the FrP and Green Party have come up with plans to make it practical. > send anyone who can't support themselves back to Norway I mean for illegal immigrants; if they can't support themselves they can be sent back to their own country. They have no right to stay in mainland Norway, so that won't be a problem. https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/norwegian-politicians-propose-putting-refugees-on-svalbard-remote-arctic-islands-with-more-polar-bears-than-people-10498859.html https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/norwegian-po... https://www.tnp.no/norway/panorama/4956-frp-politician-proposes-to-send-refugees-in-norway-to-svalbard/ https://www.tnp.no/norway/panorama/4956-frp-politician-propo...
wizofaus 4y ago
They don't pay income tax, sure, but it's pretty hard to avoid other taxes.

by bruceb 4y ago

notch656a 4y ago

I know for instance Norway has suggested allowing illegal immigrants onward voyage to Svalbard where there are no public benefits but also no visa requirements to work, which allow them to technically stay in Norway and still have work authorization without becoming a public charge. I think this kind of clever problem solving is really the kind we need to overcome some of these challenges.

komadori 4y ago
There are no public benefits in Svalbard because they send anyone who can't support themselves back to Norway. The economy is small and dominated by a few state-owned employers who own almost all the housing and rent it to their employees. Sending illegal immigrants from Norway to Svalbard is not a practical suggestion.
- notch656a 4y ago
  Norway's own politicians and people were the ones suggesting it. Not being Norwegian myself I'm relying on those in Norway to suggest these ideas. Both the FrP and Green Party have come up with plans to make it practical. > send anyone who can't support themselves back to Norway I mean for illegal immigrants; if they can't support themselves they can be sent back to their own country. They have no right to stay in mainland Norway, so that won't be a problem. https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/norwegian-politicians-propose-putting-refugees-on-svalbard-remote-arctic-islands-with-more-polar-bears-than-people-10498859.html https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/norwegian-po... https://www.tnp.no/norway/panorama/4956-frp-politician-proposes-to-send-refugees-in-norway-to-svalbard/ https://www.tnp.no/norway/panorama/4956-frp-politician-propo...

wizofaus 4y ago

They don't pay income tax, sure, but it's pretty hard to avoid other taxes.