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The test was to see which had a longer range: the new GMC Sierra (24 gallon tank) or the Ford Lightning. But it wasn't a test of comparable vehicles. The Sierr

The test was to see which had a longer range: the new GMC Sierra (24 gallon tank) or the Ford Lightning. But it wasn't a test of comparable vehicles. The Sierra has the EV equivalent of an 808 kWh battery vs 131 kwh in the Lightning. And the starting range of the GMC (when not towing) is theoretically more than double that of the Lighting. So the Lightning could never have won this test. Which, based on scrolling through the types of stories that website posts, was kind of the point.

ars 4y ago
Is a 800 kWh battery actually available for the Lightning? Or is that some conversion of gasoline into electrical energy? Because if not, then this is simply a real world comparison. Not some sort of physics demonstration.
- metadat 4y ago
  The 2022 Lightning is all-electric.
- gamblor956 4y ago
  It's a conversion of gasoline to battery capacity. But my point was that it's not a real world comparison, since they're comparing a full-size pickup truck against a compact pickup EV. The proper comparison would be to a compact pickup truck like the GMC Canyon. The ICE vehicle would still win, but but not by as much.
pram 4y ago
No one would buy an ICE truck that can only tow something 100 miles.
- toomuchtodo 4y ago
  Most people who own a half ton truck never tow or leave pavement. The vehicles are garage/pavement queens.
  - MerelyMortal 4y ago
    Source for claim?
    - toomuchtodo 4y ago
      https://www.thedrive.com/news/26907/you-dont-need-a-full-size-pickup-truck-you-need-a-cowboy-costume https://www.thedrive.com/news/26907/you-dont-need-a-full-siz... > Truck owners might protest that they are slightly less likely than owners of other categories to use their vehicle as primary transport (83% vs. 95%), limiting the miles and gallons. And they might also protest that trucks provide capabilities that other vehicles lack. But, as it turns out, a significant portion of truck owners never use their trucks for these capabilities. According to Edwards’ data, 75 percent of truck owners use their truck for towing one time a year or less (meaning, never). Nearly 70 percent of truck owners go off-road one time a year or less. And a full 35 percent of truck owners use their truck for hauling—putting something in the bed, its ostensible raison d’être—once a year or less. > So what do people actually like about trucks? According to Edwards, the answer is counterintuitive. Truck drivers use their trucks very much like other car owners: for commuting to and from work, presumably alone. The thing that most distinguishes truck owners from those of other vehicles is their sheer love of driving. “The highest indexed use among truck owners is pleasure driving,” says Edwards. Truck drivers use their vehicles this way fully twice as often as the industry average. “This is the freedom that trucks offer,” says Edwards. > “When asked for attributes that are important to them,” Edwards says, “truck owners oversample in ones like: the ability to outperform others, to look good while driving, to present a tough image, to have their car act as extension of their personality, and to stand out in a crowd.” Trucks deliver on all of that. At a price.
      - MerelyMortal 4y ago
        Nothing in the text you quoted proves your claim: You wrote 50+% = 0 whereas the text you quoted says 70% ≤ 1 You also added a bunch of other text unrelated to your claim. Dislike of something does not turn opinion into fact.
        4y ago
hollasch 4y ago
A Tesla Model 3 has energy storage of less than three gallons of gasoline. The reason the range is so good is that regen yields a lot of additional range. In this test, however, towing or hauling long highway distances eliminates regen, severely handicapping EV range. I'm a big EV fan, but this is a legitimate torture test. Internal combustion simply wins this contest for now. We will have to wait for 2x-3x battery density to mount a proper challenge.

ars 4y ago

Is a 800 kWh battery actually available for the Lightning? Or is that some conversion of gasoline into electrical energy? Because if not, then this is simply a real world comparison. Not some sort of physics demonstration.

metadat 4y ago
The 2022 Lightning is all-electric.
gamblor956 4y ago
It's a conversion of gasoline to battery capacity. But my point was that it's not a real world comparison, since they're comparing a full-size pickup truck against a compact pickup EV. The proper comparison would be to a compact pickup truck like the GMC Canyon. The ICE vehicle would still win, but but not by as much.

pram 4y ago

No one would buy an ICE truck that can only tow something 100 miles.

toomuchtodo 4y ago
Most people who own a half ton truck never tow or leave pavement. The vehicles are garage/pavement queens.
- MerelyMortal 4y ago
  Source for claim?
  - toomuchtodo 4y ago
    https://www.thedrive.com/news/26907/you-dont-need-a-full-size-pickup-truck-you-need-a-cowboy-costume https://www.thedrive.com/news/26907/you-dont-need-a-full-siz... > Truck owners might protest that they are slightly less likely than owners of other categories to use their vehicle as primary transport (83% vs. 95%), limiting the miles and gallons. And they might also protest that trucks provide capabilities that other vehicles lack. But, as it turns out, a significant portion of truck owners never use their trucks for these capabilities. According to Edwards’ data, 75 percent of truck owners use their truck for towing one time a year or less (meaning, never). Nearly 70 percent of truck owners go off-road one time a year or less. And a full 35 percent of truck owners use their truck for hauling—putting something in the bed, its ostensible raison d’être—once a year or less. > So what do people actually like about trucks? According to Edwards, the answer is counterintuitive. Truck drivers use their trucks very much like other car owners: for commuting to and from work, presumably alone. The thing that most distinguishes truck owners from those of other vehicles is their sheer love of driving. “The highest indexed use among truck owners is pleasure driving,” says Edwards. Truck drivers use their vehicles this way fully twice as often as the industry average. “This is the freedom that trucks offer,” says Edwards. > “When asked for attributes that are important to them,” Edwards says, “truck owners oversample in ones like: the ability to outperform others, to look good while driving, to present a tough image, to have their car act as extension of their personality, and to stand out in a crowd.” Trucks deliver on all of that. At a price.
    - MerelyMortal 4y ago
      Nothing in the text you quoted proves your claim: You wrote 50+% = 0 whereas the text you quoted says 70% ≤ 1 You also added a bunch of other text unrelated to your claim. Dislike of something does not turn opinion into fact.
      - 4y ago

hollasch 4y ago

A Tesla Model 3 has energy storage of less than three gallons of gasoline. The reason the range is so good is that regen yields a lot of additional range. In this test, however, towing or hauling long highway distances eliminates regen, severely handicapping EV range. I'm a big EV fan, but this is a legitimate torture test. Internal combustion simply wins this contest for now. We will have to wait for 2x-3x battery density to mount a proper challenge.