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Maybe we train them to leave to their weapons in the car unless told otherwise?
by e-clinton 4y ago
Maybe we train them to leave to their weapons in the car unless told otherwise?
- googlryas 4y agoThat would never happen, because some non-zero number of people would lure police to their house to kill them.
- Wowfunhappy 4y agoWhy just police? A non-zero number of people have probably lured plumbers to their house to kill them. Should plumbers bring guns everywhere?
- sokoloff 4y agoWhen we get to the point where people are tagging and changing “All Plumbers are Bastards”, then yes, plumbers should carry when entering an unknown situation.
- Wowfunhappy 4y agoSo, I do get it, but it's also a self-fulfilling prophecy. People are chanting "all police are bastards" as a result of police carrying guns everywhere (and the downstream effects, like those guns occasionally shooting innocent people).
- sokoloff 4y agoIt’s literally prejudice against cops. Some members of <group X> did <bad thing Y>. Therefore all members of <group X> are bad. We don’t tolerate when it group X is a racial group or when it’s a religious group, but otherwise intelligent and reasonable people seem to give zero care when group X is cops. It’s weird to me.
- Retric 4y agoBy that logic people shouln’t be judged for Al-Qaeda membership. There is a meaningful difference between groups people join voluntarily and those people are born into.
- decremental 4y agoThey're just ideologically possessed and brainwashed. You give them too much credit.
- giraffe_lady 4y ago> but otherwise intelligent and reasonable people seem to give zero care when group X is cops You might want to wonder then if those intelligent and reasonable people might have knowledge or experiences they're basing these things off of that you don't have direct access to. It's not prejudice if it's not pre. For me I didn't come to truly hate all police until I had accumulated years of experience of their violence and dishonesty across so many different jurisdictions and even countries that I realized it really is a problem with the system itself rather than any specific individual within it. ACAB doesn't mean only bad people become police, it means you must become bad to remain police. Well-meaning people join all the time and they either leave, are forced out, or get in line and start covering for the really heinous shit.
- jakear 4y agoI’ve met plenty of police that want nothing more than general order in their jurisdictions. They come up to my car when I’m broken down on the side of the road and ask if there’s anything they can do to help. I’ve also met police that go out of their way to give me a hard time for going 5 mph above the speed limit. The difference is the geography - when police are used as a “follow every guideline some bullshit group of representatives set forth” enforcer, they tend to be bullshit. When they’re used as a “make sure people are being reasonable” force, they tend to be reasonable as well. It’s up to the people in the jurisdiction to elect a chief who matches their viewpoint. And it’s up to the individual living in that jurisdiction to choose an area that matches the enforcement they’d like to see.
- googlryas 4y agoWhat do you think would happen to police if they didn't carry guns? How many police would be killed the first day in America that policy is implemented?
- Wowfunhappy 4y agoI'm not suggesting police should never carry guns! If you're going to apprehend a suspected murderer, you should probably have a weapon on you. But if you're going to e.g. help a heart attack victim, I think it's reasonable to ask officers to leave their guns in their car, just as a doctor wouldn't bring a gun. I'd expect exceedingly few officers to be killed as a result.
- googlryas 4y agoIf someone calls in and says a burglar shot a family member and the burglar ran away, would there be any reason for a cop to bring a gun to give first responder treatment to the family member?
- trav4225 4y agoIncidentally, my plumber comes packing. :-)
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