3 ms·

> The Intrepid Reporter [TV Tropes link] is as much of a stock character as the Evil Corporation. You don’t hear much about the evil reporter, though Er, like

> The Intrepid Reporter [TV Tropes link] is as much of a stock character as the Evil Corporation. You don’t hear much about the evil reporter, though Er, like the Immoral Journalist? https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ImmoralJournalist https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ImmoralJournalis... The article itself supposes the conclusion "the news is fake." > You don’t hear much about the evil communist, either. Uh...the Red Scare? This one is incredibly easy to refute: https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/DirtyCommunists https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/DirtyCommunists The author's counterargument? > I’d bet the world has seen a >1000:1 ratio of scenes featuring evil capitalists to scenes featuring evil communists They'd bet. Ok?

dmix 4y ago
>> I’d bet the world has seen a >1000:1 ratio of scenes featuring evil capitalists to scenes featuring evil communists > They'd bet. Ok? The context was "in the past several decades", if this means 3, that goes to 1992. I'd say that's a very, very safe bet. I'd take it too. If it was to 1982 it would be less so but still safe. Otherwise it's been a long time since the cold war. The 'Red Scare' even longer. I can't even think of a major movie since 2010 that had a villain who was socialist besides The Interview, Team America, and Red Dawn 2012 but those aren't even fake examples. Even in your "Dirty Communists" TVTropes links all the examples were Cold War era, the only two modern films I found were also using historical real references: https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Film/TheDeathOfStalin https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Film/TheDeathOfStalin https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Film/BridgeOfSpies https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Film/BridgeOfSpies I could list a countless modern films/shows where the enemy was an evil billionaire entrepreneur or faceless corporation. A wealthy capitalist in a suit is pretty much today's standard cliche villain trope.
- spread_love 4y ago
  The author hasn't provided any reason this is correct besides "betcha". Was there a more common insult than "communist" by the American right in the last decade? Most using it think it's synonymous with "socialist" and means Obamacare. All the examples were NOT cold war era; Kingdom of the Crystal Skull, Salt, Kundun, lots more. The Death of Stalin is a poor example, along with praise, it was criticized for making light of great suffering.
- TMWNN 4y ago
  >I can't even think of a major movie since 2010 that had a villain who was socialist besides The Interview, Team America, and Red Dawn 2012 but those aren't even fake examples. >A wealthy capitalist in a suit is pretty much today's standard cliche villain trope. This was true during the Cold War, too. In the Bond films, Soviet Russia is the enemy in exactly one film, For Your Eyes Only. Red China is the implied power behind the throne in two, Thunderball and You Only Live Twice. In every other entry in the series, the villains are SPECTRE and a variety of madmen, predominantly the billionaire type. Another example is the frequently made claim that "Muslims are always the villains in Hollywood". It is far, far, far easier to name films in which "Islamophobia" is the greater evil than the opposite, both before and after the September 11 attacks on the US. The Sum of All Fears is one example in which the book's Islamic villains are explicitly replaced (by "neo-Nazis") for the film.
fennecfoxen 4y ago
> Er, like the Immoral Journalist? "You furnish the pictures, I'll furnish the war." — Hearst, apocryphally
yucky 4y ago
>Uh...the Red Scare? First, that was before most of our lifetimes. Times have changed quite a bit on that front, which is the point. Second, thanks to the Venona Files we know the "scare" had a large basis in reality. > The article itself supposes the conclusion "the news is fake." As posted elsewhere, this should be sobering: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D9rbHpA_6W4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D9rbHpA_6W4
- spread_love 4y ago
  > Times have changed quite a bit on that front When's the last time you heard the right use "communist" as an insult? Thank you for the youtube link, it's ANOTHER example of the Immoral Journalist trope to add to my list.
  - yucky 4y ago
    >When's the last time you heard the right use "communist" as an insult? I dunno, they've been relegated to AM radio & FOX News so I never hear them anymore. The mainstream news sources continue to be cleansed of wrongthink. There is no fleshing out of contrasting ideas in the news, only competing echo chambers for people to mainline their confirmation biases directly in toe their veins with no challenge to their preexisting thoughts and ideas. Carefully crafted into 7 second soundbites of course. > it's ANOTHER example of the Immoral Journalist trope to add to my list Then you don't know what a trope is. These are actual clips of real "journalists" dutifully reading their party-line scripts. This isn't a portrayal.
    - spread_love 4y ago
      Oh, that explains why you're totally our of the loop on how often "communists" are painted negatively in mainstream American media, you didn't see it. > Then you don't know what a trope is Oops, I sure do, it's when an element recurs in a piece of art. The piece if art you posted (the youtube video) was created by an artist to portray the message "the news is fake." Thus, ANOTHER example of the Immoral Journalist trope.

dmix 4y ago

>> I’d bet the world has seen a >1000:1 ratio of scenes featuring evil capitalists to scenes featuring evil communists > They'd bet. Ok? The context was "in the past several decades", if this means 3, that goes to 1992. I'd say that's a very, very safe bet. I'd take it too. If it was to 1982 it would be less so but still safe. Otherwise it's been a long time since the cold war. The 'Red Scare' even longer. I can't even think of a major movie since 2010 that had a villain who was socialist besides The Interview, Team America, and Red Dawn 2012 but those aren't even fake examples. Even in your "Dirty Communists" TVTropes links all the examples were Cold War era, the only two modern films I found were also using historical real references: https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Film/TheDeathOfStalin https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Film/TheDeathOfStalin https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Film/BridgeOfSpies https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Film/BridgeOfSpies I could list a countless modern films/shows where the enemy was an evil billionaire entrepreneur or faceless corporation. A wealthy capitalist in a suit is pretty much today's standard cliche villain trope.

spread_love 4y ago
The author hasn't provided any reason this is correct besides "betcha". Was there a more common insult than "communist" by the American right in the last decade? Most using it think it's synonymous with "socialist" and means Obamacare. All the examples were NOT cold war era; Kingdom of the Crystal Skull, Salt, Kundun, lots more. The Death of Stalin is a poor example, along with praise, it was criticized for making light of great suffering.
TMWNN 4y ago
>I can't even think of a major movie since 2010 that had a villain who was socialist besides The Interview, Team America, and Red Dawn 2012 but those aren't even fake examples. >A wealthy capitalist in a suit is pretty much today's standard cliche villain trope. This was true during the Cold War, too. In the Bond films, Soviet Russia is the enemy in exactly one film, For Your Eyes Only. Red China is the implied power behind the throne in two, Thunderball and You Only Live Twice. In every other entry in the series, the villains are SPECTRE and a variety of madmen, predominantly the billionaire type. Another example is the frequently made claim that "Muslims are always the villains in Hollywood". It is far, far, far easier to name films in which "Islamophobia" is the greater evil than the opposite, both before and after the September 11 attacks on the US. The Sum of All Fears is one example in which the book's Islamic villains are explicitly replaced (by "neo-Nazis") for the film.

fennecfoxen 4y ago

> Er, like the Immoral Journalist? "You furnish the pictures, I'll furnish the war." — Hearst, apocryphally

yucky 4y ago

>Uh...the Red Scare? First, that was before most of our lifetimes. Times have changed quite a bit on that front, which is the point. Second, thanks to the Venona Files we know the "scare" had a large basis in reality. > The article itself supposes the conclusion "the news is fake." As posted elsewhere, this should be sobering: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D9rbHpA_6W4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D9rbHpA_6W4

spread_love 4y ago
> Times have changed quite a bit on that front When's the last time you heard the right use "communist" as an insult? Thank you for the youtube link, it's ANOTHER example of the Immoral Journalist trope to add to my list.
- yucky 4y ago
  >When's the last time you heard the right use "communist" as an insult? I dunno, they've been relegated to AM radio & FOX News so I never hear them anymore. The mainstream news sources continue to be cleansed of wrongthink. There is no fleshing out of contrasting ideas in the news, only competing echo chambers for people to mainline their confirmation biases directly in toe their veins with no challenge to their preexisting thoughts and ideas. Carefully crafted into 7 second soundbites of course. > it's ANOTHER example of the Immoral Journalist trope to add to my list Then you don't know what a trope is. These are actual clips of real "journalists" dutifully reading their party-line scripts. This isn't a portrayal.
  - spread_love 4y ago
    Oh, that explains why you're totally our of the loop on how often "communists" are painted negatively in mainstream American media, you didn't see it. > Then you don't know what a trope is Oops, I sure do, it's when an element recurs in a piece of art. The piece if art you posted (the youtube video) was created by an artist to portray the message "the news is fake." Thus, ANOTHER example of the Immoral Journalist trope.