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So because you pissed off someone in the government you get life in jail? That's not justice. That could be what happened but idk I hate the idea he's not getti

So because you pissed off someone in the government you get life in jail? That's not justice. That could be what happened but idk I hate the idea he's not getting released and IIRC he killed noone and robbed noone

natpalmer1776 4y ago
The legal system is worth only as much as the population it governs believes in it's authority. Undermining the authority in a public manner is a sure fire way to ensure that the legal system will use you to reassert it's own authority as an act of long term preservation of the system's status quo.
- throwaway654329 4y ago
  To call that a legal system and not a systemic political persecution is probably not uniquely American, though it is uniquely on display in this case. Lately with SCOTUS, I think we are seeing widespread dissent about the worth of the entire legal system. For many, the system was already unbelievably unjust simply for the logic of what you observe. That’s just how it is, but is that how it should be?
refurb 4y ago
It has to do with restitution and admitting guilt. If you rob a bank, get caught, say sorry and work at restitution you’ll often be given a lighter sentence. Rob a bank then brag that the cops will never catch you and you’re glad you got away with it? Yeah, you’ll get a more severe sentence. The idea is that justice should take restitution and admission of guilt into account.
- galaxyLogic 4y ago
  > The idea is that justice should take restitution and admission of guilt into account. Doesn't that imply that not admitting guilt is a crime for which you get an extra penalty? Let's assume that is correct and ethical. The question then is how big should such an extra penalty be, for the crime of not agreeing you are guilty? Life in prison? Or perhaps capital punishment? https://www.aclu.org/news/criminal-law-reform/coercive-plea-bargaining-has-poisoned-the-criminal-justice-system-its-time-to-suck-the-venom-out https://www.aclu.org/news/criminal-law-reform/coercive-plea-...
  - refurb 4y ago
    It’s not a crime it’s a consideration taken into account during sentencing.
pm90 4y ago
> idk I hate the idea he's not getting released and IIRC he killed noone and robbed noone Then its good that we as a society have institutions that have a better judgement than you, random internet netizen. There’s a reason people wear suits to court and we have all sorts of processes designed to venerate authority. Before modern times, power flowed from the Monarch. Now, we choose our representatives but the instruments by which power is administered still exists.
etchalon 4y ago
He didn't get life in prison because he pissed someone off in the government. He got life in prison because the laws he broke called for it.

natpalmer1776 4y ago

The legal system is worth only as much as the population it governs believes in it's authority. Undermining the authority in a public manner is a sure fire way to ensure that the legal system will use you to reassert it's own authority as an act of long term preservation of the system's status quo.

throwaway654329 4y ago
To call that a legal system and not a systemic political persecution is probably not uniquely American, though it is uniquely on display in this case. Lately with SCOTUS, I think we are seeing widespread dissent about the worth of the entire legal system. For many, the system was already unbelievably unjust simply for the logic of what you observe. That’s just how it is, but is that how it should be?

refurb 4y ago

It has to do with restitution and admitting guilt. If you rob a bank, get caught, say sorry and work at restitution you’ll often be given a lighter sentence. Rob a bank then brag that the cops will never catch you and you’re glad you got away with it? Yeah, you’ll get a more severe sentence. The idea is that justice should take restitution and admission of guilt into account.

galaxyLogic 4y ago
> The idea is that justice should take restitution and admission of guilt into account. Doesn't that imply that not admitting guilt is a crime for which you get an extra penalty? Let's assume that is correct and ethical. The question then is how big should such an extra penalty be, for the crime of not agreeing you are guilty? Life in prison? Or perhaps capital punishment? https://www.aclu.org/news/criminal-law-reform/coercive-plea-bargaining-has-poisoned-the-criminal-justice-system-its-time-to-suck-the-venom-out https://www.aclu.org/news/criminal-law-reform/coercive-plea-...
- refurb 4y ago
  It’s not a crime it’s a consideration taken into account during sentencing.

pm90 4y ago

> idk I hate the idea he's not getting released and IIRC he killed noone and robbed noone Then its good that we as a society have institutions that have a better judgement than you, random internet netizen. There’s a reason people wear suits to court and we have all sorts of processes designed to venerate authority. Before modern times, power flowed from the Monarch. Now, we choose our representatives but the instruments by which power is administered still exists.

etchalon 4y ago

He didn't get life in prison because he pissed someone off in the government. He got life in prison because the laws he broke called for it.