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> It's not clear why Finland would suddenly be at risk. It's not that we're now suddenly at risk, it's more that we were at risk all the time and now we finall

by jusssi 4y ago

> It's not clear why Finland would suddenly be at risk. It's not that we're now suddenly at risk, it's more that we were at risk all the time and now we finally understand it. Also the highly visible "special operation" allows Russia a whole new level of pressuring us into various things. The message we're seeing is "if we decide to fuck you up, we don't much care if a bunch of our boys get hurt in the process". Which pretty much renders useless any "credible defense deterrent" which isn't an existential threat to them. > like turning public opinion into agreeing to join Nato in some countries The change of public opinion as result of the actions we've seen was such an obvious consequence, it makes me wonder if it wasn't one of the effects Putin wanted to get out of this campaign.

mytailorisrich 4y ago
This is beyond "drinking the Kool-Aid" at this point, and very skillfully organised mass hysteria. Finland, which kept relatively good relations with the USSR throughout the Cold War had actually been at extreme risk all along and must join Nato right now. Right... well at least they have a long border with Russia, not like Sweden... As long as they order F-35s everything's cool, I guess.
- jusssi 4y ago
  The "relatively good relations" you speak of came with a great amount of licking ass and simultaneously preparing for the worst. It's not something we want to go back to. It's probably something that's hard to understand from a comfy armchair half a world away, so I guess that's an excuse for the condescending tone.
- mannerheim 4y ago
  Finlandisation is a dirty word in Finland. 'Good relations' were maintained by giving up an independent foreign policy, allowing Soviet-funded political parties, and censorship of anti-Soviet press. They were 'good relations' for the Soviets - not so much for the Finns.

by jusssi 4y ago

mytailorisrich 4y ago

This is beyond "drinking the Kool-Aid" at this point, and very skillfully organised mass hysteria. Finland, which kept relatively good relations with the USSR throughout the Cold War had actually been at extreme risk all along and must join Nato right now. Right... well at least they have a long border with Russia, not like Sweden... As long as they order F-35s everything's cool, I guess.

jusssi 4y ago
The "relatively good relations" you speak of came with a great amount of licking ass and simultaneously preparing for the worst. It's not something we want to go back to. It's probably something that's hard to understand from a comfy armchair half a world away, so I guess that's an excuse for the condescending tone.
mannerheim 4y ago
Finlandisation is a dirty word in Finland. 'Good relations' were maintained by giving up an independent foreign policy, allowing Soviet-funded political parties, and censorship of anti-Soviet press. They were 'good relations' for the Soviets - not so much for the Finns.