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Typing this using a british designed arm cpu powered phone using the protocol made by a british guy on a forum cofounded by a british american venture capitalis

Typing this using a british designed arm cpu powered phone using the protocol made by a british guy on a forum cofounded by a british american venture capitalist. But the UK is “small” in the “computer world”. Perhaps we should ban german IP instead so we can read less about german nationalist pride and instead focus more on what makes countries competitive and what not in modern tech.

donkarma 4y ago
yeah that's all good for you but it doesn't change the fact that the UK is not that big of a market to cause all this trouble
swores 4y ago
I think (as a Brit myself) you're being overly defensive and inferring insult where there was none. Suggesting that the market size of the UK might not be big enough to make up for the costs of complying with a law like this is not at all the same as saying that people from the UK are not capable of making using industry contributions.
- yrgulation 4y ago
  You are right i am overly defensive. The term small used by op can also be read as a pejorative term meant to describe uk’s would be weakness post brexit - often used by a small but vocal number of eu citizens that like myself (a uk person as well) have been against brexit. And i’ve it read as such. The uk market may be small in size in comparison with the whole of the eu, but the uk is by no means a small player in the “computer world”, whatever that means. Indeed due to its size it may not hold much legal clout over the eu, and the eu being protectionist as it is it might even seek to punish british isps or web companies by the excuse of having different laws. Thats not in anyone’s interest and it reflects poorly on the eu and on those people here proposing a ban on uk ips because of some silly laws. I despise the mindset of those who only seek “sanctions” and “punishment” instead of actual solutions and are constantly spewing nationalist nonsense as if, say, germany isnt full of crap and a root cause of quite some major issues on the continent right now. So yeah I am pretty much bored by all this nonsense. How can we fix the issues that such legislation is causing? Before the righteous ban our ips - not that we’d lose much.
  - 9dev 4y ago
    That is all well and relatable, yet those „silly laws“ you mention explicitly state that I am committing a crime in the UK, while my business is perfectly legal in most other countries. They even mention these laws being enforced extraterritorially, which I’m sure they’re not going to be able to do, but I’d like to go on vacation in London some time again, so there’s that. Effectively, my choice is to skip on the few potential customers the UK has to offer, or risk legal trouble. I’m not sure why anyone would risk that for the comparatively small market of your country: Banning British IPs seems to be a valid, cheap, and low-risk solution to overreaching legislation from a single, unstable government. That isn’t righteousness, it’s simply taking the most logical step to protect myself and my company.
tomjen3 4y ago
I am not pretending that Britain hadn’t done interesting and important things in the past. I am saying that only a small number of people live in the U.K. jurisdiction and so it is worth a comparative amount of admin.

donkarma 4y ago

yeah that's all good for you but it doesn't change the fact that the UK is not that big of a market to cause all this trouble

swores 4y ago

I think (as a Brit myself) you're being overly defensive and inferring insult where there was none. Suggesting that the market size of the UK might not be big enough to make up for the costs of complying with a law like this is not at all the same as saying that people from the UK are not capable of making using industry contributions.

yrgulation 4y ago
You are right i am overly defensive. The term small used by op can also be read as a pejorative term meant to describe uk’s would be weakness post brexit - often used by a small but vocal number of eu citizens that like myself (a uk person as well) have been against brexit. And i’ve it read as such. The uk market may be small in size in comparison with the whole of the eu, but the uk is by no means a small player in the “computer world”, whatever that means. Indeed due to its size it may not hold much legal clout over the eu, and the eu being protectionist as it is it might even seek to punish british isps or web companies by the excuse of having different laws. Thats not in anyone’s interest and it reflects poorly on the eu and on those people here proposing a ban on uk ips because of some silly laws. I despise the mindset of those who only seek “sanctions” and “punishment” instead of actual solutions and are constantly spewing nationalist nonsense as if, say, germany isnt full of crap and a root cause of quite some major issues on the continent right now. So yeah I am pretty much bored by all this nonsense. How can we fix the issues that such legislation is causing? Before the righteous ban our ips - not that we’d lose much.
- 9dev 4y ago
  That is all well and relatable, yet those „silly laws“ you mention explicitly state that I am committing a crime in the UK, while my business is perfectly legal in most other countries. They even mention these laws being enforced extraterritorially, which I’m sure they’re not going to be able to do, but I’d like to go on vacation in London some time again, so there’s that. Effectively, my choice is to skip on the few potential customers the UK has to offer, or risk legal trouble. I’m not sure why anyone would risk that for the comparatively small market of your country: Banning British IPs seems to be a valid, cheap, and low-risk solution to overreaching legislation from a single, unstable government. That isn’t righteousness, it’s simply taking the most logical step to protect myself and my company.

tomjen3 4y ago

I am not pretending that Britain hadn’t done interesting and important things in the past. I am saying that only a small number of people live in the U.K. jurisdiction and so it is worth a comparative amount of admin.