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My belief is that the open internet began to pose a threat to those in power, they now seek to divide the internet back up along national boundaries via absurd

My belief is that the open internet began to pose a threat to those in power, they now seek to divide the internet back up along national boundaries via absurd regulations in order to for the traditional institutions to maintain their power. We are already seeing it with many sites being unwilling to deal with the compliance headache of GDPR and just blocking European users, plus it seems like half the internet is off limits to China because everyone blocks Chinese IP addresses because of their bad behavior. Ultimately the only people who benefit as the internet gets more and more locked down and more and more regulated is the people at the top who are able to reassert control of the information those unwashed masses receive.

noduerme 4y ago
- ok123456 4y ago
  - dane-pgp 4y ago
    > a few confused people mill around the rotunda and take selfies. That's like calling 9/11 "a few planes being temporarily diverted from their flight paths". The facts[0] paint a different picture: "13 percent of those nearly 700 arrested as of early December are members of militia groups like the Oath Keepers or extremist groups like the Proud Boys." > could have been avoided by winning by clear and resounding margins If you don't care about the clear and resounding margin of the popular vote, or care about the voter suppression efforts in red states, or the fact that Biden won 74 more electoral votes than Trump, then I don't know what to tell you. > by having a track record of passing legislation that people want You're basically saying "Unless the winners pass exactly the legislation that the losers want, then the losers will resort to violence". You're advocating for terrorism. Anyway, you might be surprised to know that the Republicans had control of at least half of the legislature since 2015, so the 1/6 rioters really should have directed most of their anger towards the GOP. [0] https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2022/01/january-6-capitol-riot-arrests-research-profile.html https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2022/01/january-6-capito...
    - ok123456 4y ago
      >That's like calling 9/11 "a few planes being temporarily diverted from their flight paths". Yeah it wasn't 9/11. It was more like a 2005 myspace flash-mob that was part of a poorly thought out product promotion. > ... popular vote ... We don't elect by the simple popular vote. Amend the constitution to change the rules. By the current rules, it was a squeaker. The "battle ground states" are battle grounds not because of widespread voter suppression, but because the brand of the other team is so bad there. > You're advocating for terrorism. Yeah. Medicare for all is terrorism I guess.
  - Nextgrid 4y ago
    > passing legislation that people want that addresses their material concerns Is it though? The same problem that gave us the Capitol's storming also skews those people's concerns, so the legislation they'd demand would be anything but reasonable.
    - ok123456 4y ago
      The mid-west and south were on-board when democratic party still stood behind the New Deal and before NAFTA.
  - noduerme 4y ago
  - root_axis 4y ago
    > You watched a few confused people mill around the rotunda and take selfies. This characterization is dishonest. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iludfj6Pe7w https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iludfj6Pe7w Please don't bother with equivocations.
    - ok123456 4y ago
      I clicked your video and it was run of the mill protest, crowd control, and milling around the rotunda taking selfies.
    - jlokier 4y ago
      Longer video, has more of the event. https://youtu.be/UdnNIQQOANk https://youtu.be/UdnNIQQOANk Link that doesn't require YouTube age assertion: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/video/2022/jun/10/unseen-footage-january-6-house-committee-hearing-video https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/video/2022/jun/10/unseen... I agree that the characterization as "people milling around the rotunda taking selfies" is grossly misleading. At least some of the people were plainly not intending or doing "run of the mill protest". Listening to Trump on that day, his speech is worse than I'd thought. (I'm not connected to the USA so I don't follow closely.)
- mixtur2021 4y ago
  You are coming across here as a terrible elitist. Language is unnecessary. Referring to people as the "unwashed masses" and then a comparison to chimpanzees. In the context, this reads like de-humanization.
  - noduerme 4y ago
- the8472 4y ago
  If we cannot trust the masses to inform themselves then democracy is dead, with it relying on on informed voters. If people are only allowed to see the pre-approved narratives then we get into the situation where the WHO claiming that covid-19 being airborne is misinformation and the dumb proles spreading messages to the contrary get banned (the former happend, the second thankfully did not).
shadowgovt 4y ago
TBF, it's not just those in power; there are differences between nations (in terms of both culture and rights perceptions), and a lot of policies like these have popular support as well. From the American point of view, the entire EU has bought into something very heavy-handed in terms of the GDPR, but IIUC the GDPR is pretty popular in the UK (though full compliance with it technically requires one not even run a default-configured Apache server).
jacooper 4y ago
I think its really unfair to compare the GDPR with this, the GDPR is a good law, which is actually possible to comply with and has reasonable limits to where it applies[1] 1. https://gdpr.eu/companies-outside-of-europe/ https://gdpr.eu/companies-outside-of-europe/

noduerme 4y ago

ok123456 4y ago
- dane-pgp 4y ago
  > a few confused people mill around the rotunda and take selfies. That's like calling 9/11 "a few planes being temporarily diverted from their flight paths". The facts[0] paint a different picture: "13 percent of those nearly 700 arrested as of early December are members of militia groups like the Oath Keepers or extremist groups like the Proud Boys." > could have been avoided by winning by clear and resounding margins If you don't care about the clear and resounding margin of the popular vote, or care about the voter suppression efforts in red states, or the fact that Biden won 74 more electoral votes than Trump, then I don't know what to tell you. > by having a track record of passing legislation that people want You're basically saying "Unless the winners pass exactly the legislation that the losers want, then the losers will resort to violence". You're advocating for terrorism. Anyway, you might be surprised to know that the Republicans had control of at least half of the legislature since 2015, so the 1/6 rioters really should have directed most of their anger towards the GOP. [0] https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2022/01/january-6-capitol-riot-arrests-research-profile.html https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2022/01/january-6-capito...
  - ok123456 4y ago
    >That's like calling 9/11 "a few planes being temporarily diverted from their flight paths". Yeah it wasn't 9/11. It was more like a 2005 myspace flash-mob that was part of a poorly thought out product promotion. > ... popular vote ... We don't elect by the simple popular vote. Amend the constitution to change the rules. By the current rules, it was a squeaker. The "battle ground states" are battle grounds not because of widespread voter suppression, but because the brand of the other team is so bad there. > You're advocating for terrorism. Yeah. Medicare for all is terrorism I guess.
- Nextgrid 4y ago
  > passing legislation that people want that addresses their material concerns Is it though? The same problem that gave us the Capitol's storming also skews those people's concerns, so the legislation they'd demand would be anything but reasonable.
  - ok123456 4y ago
    The mid-west and south were on-board when democratic party still stood behind the New Deal and before NAFTA.
- noduerme 4y ago
- root_axis 4y ago
  > You watched a few confused people mill around the rotunda and take selfies. This characterization is dishonest. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iludfj6Pe7w https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iludfj6Pe7w Please don't bother with equivocations.
  - ok123456 4y ago
    I clicked your video and it was run of the mill protest, crowd control, and milling around the rotunda taking selfies.
  - jlokier 4y ago
    Longer video, has more of the event. https://youtu.be/UdnNIQQOANk https://youtu.be/UdnNIQQOANk Link that doesn't require YouTube age assertion: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/video/2022/jun/10/unseen-footage-january-6-house-committee-hearing-video https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/video/2022/jun/10/unseen... I agree that the characterization as "people milling around the rotunda taking selfies" is grossly misleading. At least some of the people were plainly not intending or doing "run of the mill protest". Listening to Trump on that day, his speech is worse than I'd thought. (I'm not connected to the USA so I don't follow closely.)
mixtur2021 4y ago
You are coming across here as a terrible elitist. Language is unnecessary. Referring to people as the "unwashed masses" and then a comparison to chimpanzees. In the context, this reads like de-humanization.
- noduerme 4y ago
the8472 4y ago
If we cannot trust the masses to inform themselves then democracy is dead, with it relying on on informed voters. If people are only allowed to see the pre-approved narratives then we get into the situation where the WHO claiming that covid-19 being airborne is misinformation and the dumb proles spreading messages to the contrary get banned (the former happend, the second thankfully did not).

shadowgovt 4y ago

TBF, it's not just those in power; there are differences between nations (in terms of both culture and rights perceptions), and a lot of policies like these have popular support as well. From the American point of view, the entire EU has bought into something very heavy-handed in terms of the GDPR, but IIUC the GDPR is pretty popular in the UK (though full compliance with it technically requires one not even run a default-configured Apache server).

jacooper 4y ago

I think its really unfair to compare the GDPR with this, the GDPR is a good law, which is actually possible to comply with and has reasonable limits to where it applies[1] 1. https://gdpr.eu/companies-outside-of-europe/ https://gdpr.eu/companies-outside-of-europe/