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Or buying disks. Probably for dirt cheap prices for many of these movies. Still reasonable for long term storage and viewing. I get it, this is the failure of

Or buying disks. Probably for dirt cheap prices for many of these movies. Still reasonable for long term storage and viewing. I get it, this is the failure of a service, but piracy is hardly the only option.

mojzu 4y ago
Buying/storing disks requires a lot of space and hardware many people do not own anymore though, plus if you want to rip them to a personal media server you still need to break the DRM which depending on the country can be illegal
- falcolas 4y ago
  Given that we're talking about movies on the PS store, even the PS5 has an edition with a blu-ray / DVD player. If you care about being able to play media over time (including games), you'll want that disk version in the first place. Piracy still not required. More convenient, yes. But not required.
  - malka 4y ago
    Lot of stuff is no longer released in a physical form anyway. Or is not sold ouside the US.
  - juve1996 4y ago
    Piracy is more convenient and there are no consequences. You're looking at the problem incorrectly. People will pirate. Whether or not it's right or wrong is irrelevant. even if it's not "That much harder to X, Y, Z", people will do what is easiest.
- gjsman-1000 4y ago
  > plus if you want to rip them to a personal media server you still need to break the DRM which depending on the country can be illegal And piracy isn't illegal? I know which one is definitely more legal and more ethical.
- aidenn0 4y ago
  > Buying/storing disks requires a lot of space https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/924197-REG/case_logic_bnb_208_capacity_nylon_cd_dvd.html/?msclkid=bdc8644f1c00108d090306837c011e80 https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/924197-REG/case_logic... or https://www.amazon.com/Snap-N-Store-Double-Storage-6-125-SNS03316/dp/B071LTJ8TQ?ref_=ast_sto_dp&th=1 https://www.amazon.com/Snap-N-Store-Double-Storage-6-125-SNS... > .. and hardware many people do not own anymore https://www.amazon.com/Blu-Ray-Player-External-Laptop-Burner/dp/B001TVAU0E/ref=sr_1_4 https://www.amazon.com/Blu-Ray-Player-External-Laptop-Burner... ~3 months of Netflix standard gets you storage for 100s of discs plus a drive to play them on.
- cxr 4y ago
  > if you want to rip them to a personal media server you still need to break the DRM In the case of DVDs, you can just back them up by imaging the DVD with all parts intact—no deCSS necessary. This is partially what made DMCA anticircumvention legislation so braindead. The people hardest hit were those whose behavior was otherwise ethical and legal. The folks selling burned/counterfeit copies at the flea market or in the street, on the other hand, were undeterred, because (a) DMCA didn't make anything impossible—it just made a new class of things illegal—but the thing the bootleggers were doing (copyright infringement) was _already_ illegal! and (b) system used on DVDs restricts playback; it's not a copy protection system—because (again) if you want to copy a DVD, you can: you just make sure to copy the "DRM" parts, too.
acomjean 4y ago
For a lot of reasons, a lot of programming is not longer available on disks. AppleTV/Netflicks and such don't release blu-ray/dvds or a lot of programming, so if you want permanent access.. There doesn't appear to be a way to purchase a lot of content with a guarantee that you can access anytime you like.
- falcolas 4y ago
  > There doesn't appear to be a way to purchase a lot of content with a guarantee that you can access anytime you like. This is outside the scope of the "studio canal" movies. But you're correct. And if I'm being frank (and probably being a bit of an ass too), there's no inherent right to view this content. Personally, I view this the same way I do AAA games. There's so many good games out there without all the BS of modern (read: greedy) AAA games that I don't feel the least bit of need to play them. I pay for good games, and I get to play good games. Don't let FOMO around shows and movies that companies don't want to make available in a reasonable manner control your watching habits. Pick other (often better, even if not as shiny) entertainment, and support those creators.
  - malka 4y ago
    If I cant buy (and when I mean buy, i do not mean "rent for a non specified duration"), then I pirate. If content creator want people to buy their content, then they should sell it.
    - sosborn 4y ago
      They do, it just isn't on the terms you want.
      - malka 4y ago
        no they dont. Sony / amazon / apple / google can deactivate my account an any given time, and destroy all my content. Cant do that with DVD.

mojzu 4y ago

Buying/storing disks requires a lot of space and hardware many people do not own anymore though, plus if you want to rip them to a personal media server you still need to break the DRM which depending on the country can be illegal

falcolas 4y ago
Given that we're talking about movies on the PS store, even the PS5 has an edition with a blu-ray / DVD player. If you care about being able to play media over time (including games), you'll want that disk version in the first place. Piracy still not required. More convenient, yes. But not required.
- malka 4y ago
  Lot of stuff is no longer released in a physical form anyway. Or is not sold ouside the US.
- juve1996 4y ago
  Piracy is more convenient and there are no consequences. You're looking at the problem incorrectly. People will pirate. Whether or not it's right or wrong is irrelevant. even if it's not "That much harder to X, Y, Z", people will do what is easiest.
gjsman-1000 4y ago
> plus if you want to rip them to a personal media server you still need to break the DRM which depending on the country can be illegal And piracy isn't illegal? I know which one is definitely more legal and more ethical.
aidenn0 4y ago
> Buying/storing disks requires a lot of space https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/924197-REG/case_logic_bnb_208_capacity_nylon_cd_dvd.html/?msclkid=bdc8644f1c00108d090306837c011e80 https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/924197-REG/case_logic... or https://www.amazon.com/Snap-N-Store-Double-Storage-6-125-SNS03316/dp/B071LTJ8TQ?ref_=ast_sto_dp&th=1 https://www.amazon.com/Snap-N-Store-Double-Storage-6-125-SNS... > .. and hardware many people do not own anymore https://www.amazon.com/Blu-Ray-Player-External-Laptop-Burner/dp/B001TVAU0E/ref=sr_1_4 https://www.amazon.com/Blu-Ray-Player-External-Laptop-Burner... ~3 months of Netflix standard gets you storage for 100s of discs plus a drive to play them on.
cxr 4y ago
> if you want to rip them to a personal media server you still need to break the DRM In the case of DVDs, you can just back them up by imaging the DVD with all parts intact—no deCSS necessary. This is partially what made DMCA anticircumvention legislation so braindead. The people hardest hit were those whose behavior was otherwise ethical and legal. The folks selling burned/counterfeit copies at the flea market or in the street, on the other hand, were undeterred, because (a) DMCA didn't make anything impossible—it just made a new class of things illegal—but the thing the bootleggers were doing (copyright infringement) was _already_ illegal! and (b) system used on DVDs restricts playback; it's not a copy protection system—because (again) if you want to copy a DVD, you can: you just make sure to copy the "DRM" parts, too.

acomjean 4y ago

For a lot of reasons, a lot of programming is not longer available on disks. AppleTV/Netflicks and such don't release blu-ray/dvds or a lot of programming, so if you want permanent access.. There doesn't appear to be a way to purchase a lot of content with a guarantee that you can access anytime you like.

falcolas 4y ago
> There doesn't appear to be a way to purchase a lot of content with a guarantee that you can access anytime you like. This is outside the scope of the "studio canal" movies. But you're correct. And if I'm being frank (and probably being a bit of an ass too), there's no inherent right to view this content. Personally, I view this the same way I do AAA games. There's so many good games out there without all the BS of modern (read: greedy) AAA games that I don't feel the least bit of need to play them. I pay for good games, and I get to play good games. Don't let FOMO around shows and movies that companies don't want to make available in a reasonable manner control your watching habits. Pick other (often better, even if not as shiny) entertainment, and support those creators.
- malka 4y ago
  If I cant buy (and when I mean buy, i do not mean "rent for a non specified duration"), then I pirate. If content creator want people to buy their content, then they should sell it.
  - sosborn 4y ago
    They do, it just isn't on the terms you want.
    - malka 4y ago
      no they dont. Sony / amazon / apple / google can deactivate my account an any given time, and destroy all my content. Cant do that with DVD.