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This plus all the people we in the US fund to be in prison, for minor drug crimes, some of which are legal now. The crime isn’t that you did something wrong. I

This plus all the people we in the US fund to be in prison, for minor drug crimes, some of which are legal now. The crime isn’t that you did something wrong. It’s that you didn’t make the right person richer by doing so.

restes 4y ago
This and the parent's argument are just whataboutism.
- bcassedy 4y ago
  Whataboutism is a valid concern when discussing justice imo
  - RhysU 4y ago
    Disagree. An outcome is "just or not just" for me independent of if you got the same outcome. I believe that you meant "fair".
    - bcassedy 4y ago
      If you take "just" to mean "justifiable", sure. That meaning doesn't really make sense in the context of this discussion though, so yes I am invoking one of the definitions related to fairness.
- anjel 4y ago
  Given the same crime, should justice and sentencing be arbitrary or equivalent? Contextualized to the Nixonian origins of the "war" on "drugs," the US socioeconomic sentencing disparities are the common element linking all drug convictions, from the streets of Baltimore/Camden/Detroit to any one of the Sacklers palatial manors.
adra 4y ago
Sorry, two wrongs don't make a right, and this guy facilitated selling drugs in large quantities. Your fatalism only shuts down the discourse of workable solutions. You may as well be a shill for "the man" as you're working for the status quo agenda holding this attitude. Your moral cry for the small time user is in alignment with me though. I'd decriminalize low amount possession and drug use since locking up drug users almost certainly pushes people who are vulnerable to collapse into definitely collapsed positions. A civilized people would want the road to success to be the incentivized over pushing people down who are then unable to escape (statistically).
- netr0ute 4y ago
  Does not compute
- chimeracoder 4y ago
  > Sorry, two wrongs don't make a right, and this guy facilitated selling drugs in large quantities. Selling drugs in large quantities isn't inherently unethical or immoral. Trying to hire a hit man to have someone else murdered in an incredibly specific and graphic way, on the other hand, is inherently both unethical and immoral.
  - lupire 4y ago
  - micromacrofoot 4y ago
    > Trying to hire a hit man to have someone else murdered in an incredibly specific and graphic way, on the other hand, is inherently both unethical and immoral. But is it worth a life sentence if the murders never happened? I think there's a reasonable case for "no."
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restes 4y ago

This and the parent's argument are just whataboutism.

bcassedy 4y ago
Whataboutism is a valid concern when discussing justice imo
- RhysU 4y ago
  Disagree. An outcome is "just or not just" for me independent of if you got the same outcome. I believe that you meant "fair".
  - bcassedy 4y ago
    If you take "just" to mean "justifiable", sure. That meaning doesn't really make sense in the context of this discussion though, so yes I am invoking one of the definitions related to fairness.
anjel 4y ago
Given the same crime, should justice and sentencing be arbitrary or equivalent? Contextualized to the Nixonian origins of the "war" on "drugs," the US socioeconomic sentencing disparities are the common element linking all drug convictions, from the streets of Baltimore/Camden/Detroit to any one of the Sacklers palatial manors.

adra 4y ago

Sorry, two wrongs don't make a right, and this guy facilitated selling drugs in large quantities. Your fatalism only shuts down the discourse of workable solutions. You may as well be a shill for "the man" as you're working for the status quo agenda holding this attitude. Your moral cry for the small time user is in alignment with me though. I'd decriminalize low amount possession and drug use since locking up drug users almost certainly pushes people who are vulnerable to collapse into definitely collapsed positions. A civilized people would want the road to success to be the incentivized over pushing people down who are then unable to escape (statistically).

netr0ute 4y ago
Does not compute
chimeracoder 4y ago
> Sorry, two wrongs don't make a right, and this guy facilitated selling drugs in large quantities. Selling drugs in large quantities isn't inherently unethical or immoral. Trying to hire a hit man to have someone else murdered in an incredibly specific and graphic way, on the other hand, is inherently both unethical and immoral.
- lupire 4y ago
- micromacrofoot 4y ago
  > Trying to hire a hit man to have someone else murdered in an incredibly specific and graphic way, on the other hand, is inherently both unethical and immoral. But is it worth a life sentence if the murders never happened? I think there's a reasonable case for "no."
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