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Closest I ever got was working at Apple, and even then it was due to the fact I was on a very specific type of team, so I don't know if it was common case or no

Closest I ever got was working at Apple, and even then it was due to the fact I was on a very specific type of team, so I don't know if it was common case or not. I hear Google is largely like this, but who knows anymore. I hear mixed things all the time. It feels like you have to find a specialized company that may be immune to certain pressures and likely top of their field or the only company really in their given market sector. Maybe Oxide Computer? I think Supabase might be like this, given their marketing and hiring materials, but its hard to say. They're in a "long game" (according to their founder) so they think more long term. That tends to be a good indicator of this, I think, is seeing long term horizons over quarterly ones.

xyzzyz 4y ago
Google used to be like this, but now, though some isolated pockets remain, is not like that anymore. A good mental model of how Google internally works today is Microsoft, but with free food.
- wnolens 4y ago
  My time at Microsoft was learning a craft from old guys who were there in "the beginning". I'm so grateful for the hours spent on a whiteboard with a patient sage explaining to me how things work. My code reviews were 10 iterations until I learned to do a better job. Very high bar. Even comments had to be full English sentences. I miss it. AWS is the opposite.
  - rochak 4y ago
    Not sure I agree with your experience at AWS. For me, my teammates have been super critical, always trying to raise the bar and looking for ways to make things better. So, all I’ll say is that it is very team specific and you can find good and bad teams at every company.
kiwicopple 4y ago
{supabase founder} We're fortunate to have started at a time when VCs were incredibly irrational (read: good for founders), and even more fortunate to have found a lead investor that's patient. We've been able to build Supabase our own way: hire the right people (mostly international), focus on what developers want (even though they don't pay much), and build open source (collaborating rather than competing). None of these are controversial until you have a profit-maximising VC breathing down your neck. > They're in a "long game" (according to their founder) I stand by this. It's a decade-long endeavour to build credibility as a database company and that's not something we can hurry.
- no_wizard 4y ago
  Perhaps we should talk :)

xyzzyz 4y ago

Google used to be like this, but now, though some isolated pockets remain, is not like that anymore. A good mental model of how Google internally works today is Microsoft, but with free food.

wnolens 4y ago
My time at Microsoft was learning a craft from old guys who were there in "the beginning". I'm so grateful for the hours spent on a whiteboard with a patient sage explaining to me how things work. My code reviews were 10 iterations until I learned to do a better job. Very high bar. Even comments had to be full English sentences. I miss it. AWS is the opposite.
- rochak 4y ago
  Not sure I agree with your experience at AWS. For me, my teammates have been super critical, always trying to raise the bar and looking for ways to make things better. So, all I’ll say is that it is very team specific and you can find good and bad teams at every company.

kiwicopple 4y ago

{supabase founder} We're fortunate to have started at a time when VCs were incredibly irrational (read: good for founders), and even more fortunate to have found a lead investor that's patient. We've been able to build Supabase our own way: hire the right people (mostly international), focus on what developers want (even though they don't pay much), and build open source (collaborating rather than competing). None of these are controversial until you have a profit-maximising VC breathing down your neck. > They're in a "long game" (according to their founder) I stand by this. It's a decade-long endeavour to build credibility as a database company and that's not something we can hurry.

no_wizard 4y ago
Perhaps we should talk :)