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not being spreaders seems dubious, they certainly get it and spread it imo. But no real danger is easily verified by the stats. Mortality in kids and young adu

not being spreaders seems dubious, they certainly get it and spread it imo. But no real danger is easily verified by the stats. Mortality in kids and young adults is a very small percentage. - https://www.ons.gov.uk/aboutus/transparencyandgovernance/freedomofinformationfoi/deathsfromcovid19byageband https://www.ons.gov.uk/aboutus/transparencyandgovernance/fre...

giraffe_lady 4y ago
"Danger" has other dimensions than mortality. Some of polio's worst effects emerge a decade or more after infection for example. The confidence of these assertions about the effects on children are not warranted at all. I'm grateful they don't die at the same rates but that's not an indication it doesn't affect them.
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- ch4s3 4y ago
  Maybe. We know what language skill acquisition loss does to children, especially the poor. And now with the extreme virility of newer variants it seems impossible to prevent infection over the medium term. So we’ve probably stunted the development of a generation of kids for no benefit to them.
  - giraffe_lady 4y ago
    It sounds like you're making a case for "a necessary or acceptable risk" which I don't really agree with but I think is a valid position. But that's very different from the "no real danger" claimed above, which again I don't think anyone has the knowledge to honestly and confidently assert right now.
    - ch4s3 4y ago
      Every other OECD nation went back to in person schooling pretty quickly, and mostly without masks. They didn't have catastrophic outcomes. There is to date, no known serious long term risk to children in general, but nearly a century of data about the importance of socializing with other children to childhood development. In the US we got this wrong.
  - Gh0stRAT 4y ago
    The extremely contagious nature of the newest strains is in many ways a direct consequence of our global failure to contain it early on before it had so many chances to mutate. (eg how we did with MERS and the original SARS) Asymptomatic spread and a lack of clarity on whether it was even "airborne" plagued our early efforts to contain it. That being said, the lockdown-related learning loss is also a disaster, and one that will disproportionately impact disadvantaged kids and their communities.
    - ch4s3 4y ago
      The only argument I'm making here is that closing schools and switching young children to "distance learning" was a bad tradeoff and a disaster. It was driven by fear, anti-science nonsense, and the concerns of large US teachers unions. The CDC in general failed, and is run by liars with contempt for the general public. I'm not sure what we could have done once the virus entered wild mammal populations and began circulating in places with no public health infrastructure. This happened pretty early on. The Omicron variants came out of mice populations in South Africa.
ch4s3 4y ago
As I pointed out in another comment, numerous studies in several countries have found that children infrequently spread COVID to one another or TO teachers but spread does move in the other direction.
- ramblerman 4y ago
  should be easy to provide a source then. Certainly many children are asymptomatic. But I'm not sure why the direction of spread would be one way though, that's highly unusual.
  - ch4s3 4y ago
    You could have looked 2 comments up to find this[1]. This was well known at the time and the basis for COVID measures in schools in basically all of the OECD. > Findings from several studies suggest that SARS-CoV-2 transmission among students is relatively rare... [1] https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/science/science-briefs/transmission_k_12_schools.html#schools-cov2-transmission https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/science/science-br...

giraffe_lady 4y ago

"Danger" has other dimensions than mortality. Some of polio's worst effects emerge a decade or more after infection for example. The confidence of these assertions about the effects on children are not warranted at all. I'm grateful they don't die at the same rates but that's not an indication it doesn't affect them.

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ch4s3 4y ago
Maybe. We know what language skill acquisition loss does to children, especially the poor. And now with the extreme virility of newer variants it seems impossible to prevent infection over the medium term. So we’ve probably stunted the development of a generation of kids for no benefit to them.
- giraffe_lady 4y ago
  It sounds like you're making a case for "a necessary or acceptable risk" which I don't really agree with but I think is a valid position. But that's very different from the "no real danger" claimed above, which again I don't think anyone has the knowledge to honestly and confidently assert right now.
  - ch4s3 4y ago
    Every other OECD nation went back to in person schooling pretty quickly, and mostly without masks. They didn't have catastrophic outcomes. There is to date, no known serious long term risk to children in general, but nearly a century of data about the importance of socializing with other children to childhood development. In the US we got this wrong.
- Gh0stRAT 4y ago
  The extremely contagious nature of the newest strains is in many ways a direct consequence of our global failure to contain it early on before it had so many chances to mutate. (eg how we did with MERS and the original SARS) Asymptomatic spread and a lack of clarity on whether it was even "airborne" plagued our early efforts to contain it. That being said, the lockdown-related learning loss is also a disaster, and one that will disproportionately impact disadvantaged kids and their communities.
  - ch4s3 4y ago
    The only argument I'm making here is that closing schools and switching young children to "distance learning" was a bad tradeoff and a disaster. It was driven by fear, anti-science nonsense, and the concerns of large US teachers unions. The CDC in general failed, and is run by liars with contempt for the general public. I'm not sure what we could have done once the virus entered wild mammal populations and began circulating in places with no public health infrastructure. This happened pretty early on. The Omicron variants came out of mice populations in South Africa.

ch4s3 4y ago

As I pointed out in another comment, numerous studies in several countries have found that children infrequently spread COVID to one another or TO teachers but spread does move in the other direction.

ramblerman 4y ago
should be easy to provide a source then. Certainly many children are asymptomatic. But I'm not sure why the direction of spread would be one way though, that's highly unusual.
- ch4s3 4y ago
  You could have looked 2 comments up to find this[1]. This was well known at the time and the basis for COVID measures in schools in basically all of the OECD. > Findings from several studies suggest that SARS-CoV-2 transmission among students is relatively rare... [1] https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/science/science-briefs/transmission_k_12_schools.html#schools-cov2-transmission https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/science/science-br...