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> graph with stronger learning quality shows Japan number 1 that's highly dubious. Who made this graph? Ah, McKinsey. Explains everything.

rootusrootus 4y ago
> Ah, McKinsey. Explains everything. Can you elaborate? At least a couple hints to point in the right direction.
- chefandy 4y ago
  I have no idea why the commenter found that particular statistic to be suspect but McKinsey is morally bankrupt. Their Wikipedia entry’s “controversies” section offers a few solid examples.
- grogenaut 4y ago
  McKinsey is a global management consulting company. Some don't trust places like that as they "tend to hire mbas or others out of college and have them tell your CEO what to do (to justify what the CEO wants already)". I have no experience with McKinsey personally other than them not directing me to the other entrance to their building for another business.
eastbayjake 4y ago
I'm surprised a HN community member with your level of contributions would make this sort of comment. From the HN guidelines: "Please don't post shallow dismissals, especially of other people's work. A good critical comment teaches us something." If you have a methodological issue with the analysis, that would be super interesting to share with the community! But these ad hominem fallacies detract from the thoughtful discussions that make HN a special place.
- ekianjo 4y ago
  > "Please don't post shallow dismissals, especially of other people's work. A good critical comment teaches us something." McKinsey has been indicted several times in obvious ethical issues (opoids crisis anyone) and that's just the tip of the iceberg. Do you have anything to say in their defense, rather? When a bad actor has been identified, you should assume bias instead of good faith by default. > methodological issue with the analysis You don't need to discuss at length the analytical methodology when you can see that the result is obviously false. Japan is certainly NOT the best place in the world for education.

rootusrootus 4y ago

> Ah, McKinsey. Explains everything. Can you elaborate? At least a couple hints to point in the right direction.

chefandy 4y ago
I have no idea why the commenter found that particular statistic to be suspect but McKinsey is morally bankrupt. Their Wikipedia entry’s “controversies” section offers a few solid examples.
grogenaut 4y ago
McKinsey is a global management consulting company. Some don't trust places like that as they "tend to hire mbas or others out of college and have them tell your CEO what to do (to justify what the CEO wants already)". I have no experience with McKinsey personally other than them not directing me to the other entrance to their building for another business.

eastbayjake 4y ago

I'm surprised a HN community member with your level of contributions would make this sort of comment. From the HN guidelines: "Please don't post shallow dismissals, especially of other people's work. A good critical comment teaches us something." If you have a methodological issue with the analysis, that would be super interesting to share with the community! But these ad hominem fallacies detract from the thoughtful discussions that make HN a special place.

ekianjo 4y ago
> "Please don't post shallow dismissals, especially of other people's work. A good critical comment teaches us something." McKinsey has been indicted several times in obvious ethical issues (opoids crisis anyone) and that's just the tip of the iceberg. Do you have anything to say in their defense, rather? When a bad actor has been identified, you should assume bias instead of good faith by default. > methodological issue with the analysis You don't need to discuss at length the analytical methodology when you can see that the result is obviously false. Japan is certainly NOT the best place in the world for education.