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This could also be the straw that breaks the fossil fuel camel's back, and gets more european countries to move to clean energy, leaving their fossil fuels for

This could also be the straw that breaks the fossil fuel camel's back, and gets more european countries to move to clean energy, leaving their fossil fuels for the industrial processes that cannot do without them.

mdp2021 4y ago
How? Surely it will place the problem of energy acquisition as a priority - but also with the need of assessing the problem of access to /cheap/ energy, also to compensate for the past luxury that now appears compromised. The matter of "clean energy" will have to compete with other pressing parameters.
- genocidicbunny 4y ago
  In the short term yes, it will create problems with energy acquisition, but in the longer term it provides a direct lesson in the need to reduce your dependence on foreign supplies. Even 20 years ago, there were few avenues to doing so. These days with renewables, the domestic supply could be significantly increased at relatively reasonable costs. It also becomes a strategic/national security imperative to reduce dependence on foreign energy sources. For a long time now, Europe had this idea that as long as they strengthened their energy economy ties with Russia, they could prevent this sort of conflict. That fantasy has largely been shattered now.
  - mdp2021 4y ago
    Autonomy is an absolute value that does not need rediscovery in theoretics; diversification of source for securing supply is a topic forced by the paradigm of Ricardo, unless taken in a most mindless form. The issue is (and was) always "how", realistically, feasibly with regard to all practical and decision-making constraints. What is new now is that the parties are forced to compromise given that the ideal scenario became dead past (and yet not fully).
dispat0r 4y ago
If you mean nuclear with clean energy, yes, but you can't run a power grid with renewables you always need a backup gas is out so what is left?
- genocidicbunny 4y ago
  Ultimately, I would like it to be nuclear+renewables, but realistically, we won't see any new nuclear plants inside the decade. Therefore renewables+storage needs to take up more slack, and as much as I hate to say it, coal. I don't think renewables will be the full solution, but perfect is the enemy of good. If europe can reduce its gas dependence to the point where it can obtain the necessary supplies outside of Russia, that will be a win.

mdp2021 4y ago

How? Surely it will place the problem of energy acquisition as a priority - but also with the need of assessing the problem of access to /cheap/ energy, also to compensate for the past luxury that now appears compromised. The matter of "clean energy" will have to compete with other pressing parameters.

genocidicbunny 4y ago
In the short term yes, it will create problems with energy acquisition, but in the longer term it provides a direct lesson in the need to reduce your dependence on foreign supplies. Even 20 years ago, there were few avenues to doing so. These days with renewables, the domestic supply could be significantly increased at relatively reasonable costs. It also becomes a strategic/national security imperative to reduce dependence on foreign energy sources. For a long time now, Europe had this idea that as long as they strengthened their energy economy ties with Russia, they could prevent this sort of conflict. That fantasy has largely been shattered now.
- mdp2021 4y ago
  Autonomy is an absolute value that does not need rediscovery in theoretics; diversification of source for securing supply is a topic forced by the paradigm of Ricardo, unless taken in a most mindless form. The issue is (and was) always "how", realistically, feasibly with regard to all practical and decision-making constraints. What is new now is that the parties are forced to compromise given that the ideal scenario became dead past (and yet not fully).

dispat0r 4y ago

If you mean nuclear with clean energy, yes, but you can't run a power grid with renewables you always need a backup gas is out so what is left?

genocidicbunny 4y ago
Ultimately, I would like it to be nuclear+renewables, but realistically, we won't see any new nuclear plants inside the decade. Therefore renewables+storage needs to take up more slack, and as much as I hate to say it, coal. I don't think renewables will be the full solution, but perfect is the enemy of good. If europe can reduce its gas dependence to the point where it can obtain the necessary supplies outside of Russia, that will be a win.