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Too bad they never made a sequel to Tron: Legacy

by Andrew_nenakhov 4y ago

ekianjo 4y ago
it was bad enough not to justify one. Even the CG was horrible.
- vaylian 4y ago
  Funny. I think it is a really good movie. I like watching it again sometimes. But tastes are different I guess. I also put on the soundtrack on a regular basis.
  - jdshaffer 4y ago
    Completely agree. I really enjoyed it -- graphics, overall concept, and love the soundtrack. Of course it has its quirks and plot holes, but I enjoy it nonetheless. :)
    - smcin 4y ago
      Tron: Legacy didn't have a plot. The soundtrack was excellent, the CGI was alright. It was a very tame for-the-money sequel with no point of view about anything at all.
- objclxt 4y ago
  > it was bad enough not to justify one. Hollywood doesn't greenlight sequels based on how good or bad a film actually is. It's all about the numbers. The budget for Tron Legacy was $170 million, and it made $400 million at the box office. That sounds quite good - it doubled its money! - except film budgets don't include marketing costs, which for a blockbuster can be as much as the budget itself. I doubt that Tron Legacy broke even. If a blockbuster isn't making at least three times its budget it's going to be seen as something of a disappointment at the studio.
  - pooper 4y ago
    > That sounds quite good - it doubled its money! - except film budgets don't include marketing costs, which for a blockbuster can be as much as the budget itself. I thought it was the opposite? Hollywood accounting, I thought, meant that if the movie even breaks even then it is financially good because they include all costs even the movie theater costs as expenses. What am I missing? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hollywood_accounting https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hollywood_accounting
  - toyg 4y ago
    This source [0], which is from a company selling analysis services of movies financials (so probably accurate) say total costs $200m, which likely includes marketing. Note also that the movie had a sizeable merchandising output, so the $400m box-office doesn't tell the full story; total revenue was probably several millions higher. [0] https://www.the-numbers.com/movie/Tron-Legacy#tab=summary https://www.the-numbers.com/movie/Tron-Legacy#tab=summary
  - WorldMaker 4y ago
    Double its money seemed to be enough to greenlight a sequel. Disney started work on a sequel almost immediately, it just got stuck in Development Hell. That's the other reason sequels do or do not get made: they still need to be developed as projects with all the pieces of writer/director/script/plan and Hollywood is just as notorious for how much of a hellscape that can be sometimes as they are for their weird, harsh accounting.
- nonrandomstring 4y ago
  > Even the CG was horrible. There wasn't any. From TFA: > first attempt to visualise the digital realm itself Few people realise that in 1982 there was no CGI. Tron is mainly rotoscoped [1] but also a composite of creative effects and techniques. Tron is a remarkable movie for a different reason most people miss today. It was seminal in defining the aesthetic of computer graphics to come by "faking it till you make it". Without the actual technology for model wirefame and rendering at the time, the visual directors (Steven Lisberger and Donald Kushner) used a combination of drawn animation (Jean Giraud), special lighting and costume, and actual CGI overlays from the "Super Foonly F-1" PDP-10 [2] [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rotoscoping https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rotoscoping [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Tron&section=5 https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Tron&section=5
  - wodenokoto 4y ago
    I think grand parent wished there was a third movie and parent was complaining about the cgi in the sequel.
  - ekianjo 4y ago
    > There wasn't any. From TFA: You probably missed the fact I was talking about the second movie, full of CGI.
    - nonrandomstring 4y ago
      Sorry. I can well imagine that the sequel was shite. Also in comparison to the first movie real CGI failed to live up to the "fake" standard set by the first.
  - lordfrito 4y ago
    There was a full 15 minutes of true CGI in the first film, an incredible accomplishment back in 1982. It was in fact too much CGI for any one company to produce, they had to hire 4 different companies to handle the workload (MAGI, Triple-I, Robert Abel and Associates, and Digital Effects). They broke up the VFX scenes between them, trying to play to the individual strengths of each company's rendering system. If you pay close attention to the film you can tell which scenes were done by which company. The backgrounds shown during the live action scenes (with actors) were mostly hand drawn. Much more info here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tm4i6D3XXBQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tm4i6D3XXBQ
- Hard_Space 4y ago
  The first hour of Tron: Legacy is pretty good. After that, it's almost unwatchable.
  - throwaway_4ever 4y ago
    Basically this for me with a more positive slant. The first scenes of Sam and into discovering what’s inside the Grid for the first time are absolutely magical. Then it does really peter out.
    - Fnoord 4y ago
      There's better tech-related Disney movies like Ralph Breaks The Internet and Ready Player One (full with memes).
      - Andrew_nenakhov 4y ago
        RPO is a disappointment full of fanservice. Overall, a much must forgettable movie than Tron: Legacy.
        WorldMaker 4y ago
        Also, RPO was Spielberg who hasn't worked at all with Disney since the weird conflux of things that was Who Framed Roger Rabbit? and so RPO is nothing like a Disney movie in any sense.
pferdone 4y ago
Well theres a lot of [0] rumors fueled by Leto that there‘s going to be sequel at "some" point. [0] https://screenrant.com/tron-3-movie-update-jared-leto-comments/amp/ https://screenrant.com/tron-3-movie-update-jared-leto-commen...
billyjobob 4y ago
They made an excellent prequel though https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tron:_Uprising https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tron:_Uprising
- ghostDancer 4y ago
  The series was fantastic and much better than the movie IMHO. It's a pity it was cancelled after one season.
JKCalhoun 4y ago
Fans should. Story is king though — it's where the first two failed. If a fan writes a knock-out script it could be awesome. (Yeah, enough of the Star Wars fan films, kids. There's a lot of other worlds out there that could use some love.)

Too bad they never made a sequel to Tron: Legacy

ekianjo 4y ago

it was bad enough not to justify one. Even the CG was horrible.

vaylian 4y ago
Funny. I think it is a really good movie. I like watching it again sometimes. But tastes are different I guess. I also put on the soundtrack on a regular basis.
- jdshaffer 4y ago
  Completely agree. I really enjoyed it -- graphics, overall concept, and love the soundtrack. Of course it has its quirks and plot holes, but I enjoy it nonetheless. :)
  - smcin 4y ago
    Tron: Legacy didn't have a plot. The soundtrack was excellent, the CGI was alright. It was a very tame for-the-money sequel with no point of view about anything at all.
objclxt 4y ago
> it was bad enough not to justify one. Hollywood doesn't greenlight sequels based on how good or bad a film actually is. It's all about the numbers. The budget for Tron Legacy was $170 million, and it made $400 million at the box office. That sounds quite good - it doubled its money! - except film budgets don't include marketing costs, which for a blockbuster can be as much as the budget itself. I doubt that Tron Legacy broke even. If a blockbuster isn't making at least three times its budget it's going to be seen as something of a disappointment at the studio.
- pooper 4y ago
  > That sounds quite good - it doubled its money! - except film budgets don't include marketing costs, which for a blockbuster can be as much as the budget itself. I thought it was the opposite? Hollywood accounting, I thought, meant that if the movie even breaks even then it is financially good because they include all costs even the movie theater costs as expenses. What am I missing? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hollywood_accounting https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hollywood_accounting
- toyg 4y ago
  This source [0], which is from a company selling analysis services of movies financials (so probably accurate) say total costs $200m, which likely includes marketing. Note also that the movie had a sizeable merchandising output, so the $400m box-office doesn't tell the full story; total revenue was probably several millions higher. [0] https://www.the-numbers.com/movie/Tron-Legacy#tab=summary https://www.the-numbers.com/movie/Tron-Legacy#tab=summary
- WorldMaker 4y ago
  Double its money seemed to be enough to greenlight a sequel. Disney started work on a sequel almost immediately, it just got stuck in Development Hell. That's the other reason sequels do or do not get made: they still need to be developed as projects with all the pieces of writer/director/script/plan and Hollywood is just as notorious for how much of a hellscape that can be sometimes as they are for their weird, harsh accounting.
nonrandomstring 4y ago
> Even the CG was horrible. There wasn't any. From TFA: > first attempt to visualise the digital realm itself Few people realise that in 1982 there was no CGI. Tron is mainly rotoscoped [1] but also a composite of creative effects and techniques. Tron is a remarkable movie for a different reason most people miss today. It was seminal in defining the aesthetic of computer graphics to come by "faking it till you make it". Without the actual technology for model wirefame and rendering at the time, the visual directors (Steven Lisberger and Donald Kushner) used a combination of drawn animation (Jean Giraud), special lighting and costume, and actual CGI overlays from the "Super Foonly F-1" PDP-10 [2] [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rotoscoping https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rotoscoping [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Tron&section=5 https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Tron&section=5
- wodenokoto 4y ago
  I think grand parent wished there was a third movie and parent was complaining about the cgi in the sequel.
- ekianjo 4y ago
  > There wasn't any. From TFA: You probably missed the fact I was talking about the second movie, full of CGI.
  - nonrandomstring 4y ago
    Sorry. I can well imagine that the sequel was shite. Also in comparison to the first movie real CGI failed to live up to the "fake" standard set by the first.
- lordfrito 4y ago
  There was a full 15 minutes of true CGI in the first film, an incredible accomplishment back in 1982. It was in fact too much CGI for any one company to produce, they had to hire 4 different companies to handle the workload (MAGI, Triple-I, Robert Abel and Associates, and Digital Effects). They broke up the VFX scenes between them, trying to play to the individual strengths of each company's rendering system. If you pay close attention to the film you can tell which scenes were done by which company. The backgrounds shown during the live action scenes (with actors) were mostly hand drawn. Much more info here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tm4i6D3XXBQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tm4i6D3XXBQ
Hard_Space 4y ago
The first hour of Tron: Legacy is pretty good. After that, it's almost unwatchable.
- throwaway_4ever 4y ago
  Basically this for me with a more positive slant. The first scenes of Sam and into discovering what’s inside the Grid for the first time are absolutely magical. Then it does really peter out.
  - Fnoord 4y ago
    There's better tech-related Disney movies like Ralph Breaks The Internet and Ready Player One (full with memes).
    - Andrew_nenakhov 4y ago
      RPO is a disappointment full of fanservice. Overall, a much must forgettable movie than Tron: Legacy.
      - WorldMaker 4y ago
        Also, RPO was Spielberg who hasn't worked at all with Disney since the weird conflux of things that was Who Framed Roger Rabbit? and so RPO is nothing like a Disney movie in any sense.

pferdone 4y ago

Well theres a lot of [0] rumors fueled by Leto that there‘s going to be sequel at "some" point. [0] https://screenrant.com/tron-3-movie-update-jared-leto-comments/amp/ https://screenrant.com/tron-3-movie-update-jared-leto-commen...

billyjobob 4y ago

They made an excellent prequel though https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tron:_Uprising https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tron:_Uprising

ghostDancer 4y ago
The series was fantastic and much better than the movie IMHO. It's a pity it was cancelled after one season.

JKCalhoun 4y ago

Fans should. Story is king though — it's where the first two failed. If a fan writes a knock-out script it could be awesome. (Yeah, enough of the Star Wars fan films, kids. There's a lot of other worlds out there that could use some love.)