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There is no censorship in Germany. Please provide evidence if you make such claims.

by _ph_ 4y ago

epups 4y ago
Gladly. Since the beginning of the war, Germany and the EU as a whole have pushed to ban Russia Today and other state press it deems dangerous [0]. More worryingly, Germany has one of the most repressive social media censorship laws ("NetzDG") in place [1]. Through this act, they have attempted to prosecute Telegram from giving Germans access to pro-Russian content [2]. It has also issued a draconian rule, where any German posting pro-Russian content - in this case, the "Z" symbol - would be prosecuted [3]. You might think that this is alright but legitimate political discussion is also being banned under the same premises - here is an example of that [4]. [0] https://www.politico.eu/article/russias-rt-sputnik-ban-raises-political-legal-questions/ https://www.politico.eu/article/russias-rt-sputnik-ban-raise... [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Network_Enforcement_Act https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Network_Enforcement_Act [2] https://www.politico.eu/article/russia-rt-media-telegram-ukraine/ https://www.politico.eu/article/russia-rt-media-telegram-ukr... [3] https://www.politico.eu/article/germany-to-prosecute-use-of-z-symbol-to-support-russias-war/ https://www.politico.eu/article/germany-to-prosecute-use-of-... [4] https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2022/03/30/pers-m30.html https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2022/03/30/pers-m30.html
- soco 4y ago
  Some call it censorship, others call it blocking enemy war propaganda. One can argue it's the same, yet I cannot understand or accept the freedom in advocating killing me and my family.
  - argentier 4y ago
    It's still censorship, whether or not you agree with it.
    - soco 4y ago
      Sometimes one simply cannot make the difference anymore between propaganda trolls and ivory tower nerds...
      - blub 4y ago
        With the amount of online and offline inquisitors ready to pounce at the slightest divergence from the official EU and US party line, those trolls and nerds stand no chance. Just like truth, neutrality, free speech, etc don’t either.
mdp2021 4y ago
Really, actually, there is a global crisis about information and management discussion, since decades and climbing. The cost of information and the expectations from the web model - consequently, reduced quality and/or independence in the lower budgeted informational products; the raise of noise and propaganda through the deviated discussion model in social networks - with the emergence of unleashed delirium as an issue in societies that have lost the controlling/mitigating and educating pyramidal network social models, and with generated bastions for the practice of manipulation; the difficulty in managing these phenomena and cleanly so, with the emergence of perverse micro-regulation (from mentally inept terminal managers) and maximalistic macro-regulation (from governments banning "misinformation" - cpr the UK - as if it were trivial to assess truth)... I could go on.

There is no censorship in Germany. Please provide evidence if you make such claims.

by _ph_ 4y ago

There is no censorship in Germany. Please provide evidence if you make such claims.

Gladly. Since the beginning of the war, Germany and the EU as a whole have pushed to ban Russia Today and other state press it deems dangerous [0]. More worryingly, Germany has one of the most repressive social media censorship laws ("NetzDG") in place [1]. Through this act, they have attempted to prosecute Telegram from giving Germans access to pro-Russian content [2]. It has also issued a draconian rule, where any German posting pro-Russian content - in this case, the "Z" symbol - would be prosecuted [3]. You might think that this is alright but legitimate political discussion is also being banned under the same premises - here is an example of that [4]. [0] https://www.politico.eu/article/russias-rt-sputnik-ban-raises-political-legal-questions/ https://www.politico.eu/article/russias-rt-sputnik-ban-raise... [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Network_Enforcement_Act https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Network_Enforcement_Act [2] https://www.politico.eu/article/russia-rt-media-telegram-ukraine/ https://www.politico.eu/article/russia-rt-media-telegram-ukr... [3] https://www.politico.eu/article/germany-to-prosecute-use-of-z-symbol-to-support-russias-war/ https://www.politico.eu/article/germany-to-prosecute-use-of-... [4] https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2022/03/30/pers-m30.html https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2022/03/30/pers-m30.html

soco 4y ago
Some call it censorship, others call it blocking enemy war propaganda. One can argue it's the same, yet I cannot understand or accept the freedom in advocating killing me and my family.
- argentier 4y ago
  It's still censorship, whether or not you agree with it.
  - soco 4y ago
    Sometimes one simply cannot make the difference anymore between propaganda trolls and ivory tower nerds...
    - blub 4y ago
      With the amount of online and offline inquisitors ready to pounce at the slightest divergence from the official EU and US party line, those trolls and nerds stand no chance. Just like truth, neutrality, free speech, etc don’t either.

mdp2021 4y ago

Really, actually, there is a global crisis about information and management discussion, since decades and climbing. The cost of information and the expectations from the web model - consequently, reduced quality and/or independence in the lower budgeted informational products; the raise of noise and propaganda through the deviated discussion model in social networks - with the emergence of unleashed delirium as an issue in societies that have lost the controlling/mitigating and educating pyramidal network social models, and with generated bastions for the practice of manipulation; the difficulty in managing these phenomena and cleanly so, with the emergence of perverse micro-regulation (from mentally inept terminal managers) and maximalistic macro-regulation (from governments banning "misinformation" - cpr the UK - as if it were trivial to assess truth)... I could go on.