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A state’s responsibility is first and foremost to its people. European states collectively messed up by going against their interests: sanctions on Russia were

A state’s responsibility is first and foremost to its people. European states collectively messed up by going against their interests: sanctions on Russia were colossally stupid. The people are starting to wake up and see through the charade leading to an interesting winter. I predict mass protests in a number of places.

gambiting 4y ago
>>sanctions on Russia were colossally stupid Only in the sense that they weren't harsh enough, yes. They are stupid in how many areas they haven't tackled yet.
g42gregory 4y ago
Is there a reason to believe that this was done on purpose and not because of stupidity? High energy prices stimulate transition to the green energy, and there are literally $trillions to be made there.
mdp2021 4y ago
With that formulation, you seem to be considering short-term interests only. (Apart from hints of seeing practical interests only.)
88840-8855 4y ago
I fully agree. The sanctions must be taken back, Ukraine must be divided and de-militarized, relationship with Russia and China MUST be improved. All this as long as we can. Unfortuntatly, we only have trash politians in Germany. Once there are demonstrations against this shit system, I will join. For the first time in my life. I am sick and tired of this system that knows it better and just hurts us. No thanks.
- raducu 4y ago
  > Ukraine must be divided and de-militarized Ukraine first, then Poland then the baltics, then all the way to Berlin, and when we're there, all the way to the Atlantic ocean. Russian shills, do you think we're that stupid? Russia must be split. During the Soviet times, the main enemy of the Soviet State was their own people which could revolt. The russian people today are sadly 90% behind Putin with his ruscism because of the effective propaganda -- today, the only real enemy of Russia is Reality and Truth itself and that's what Russia is really fighting. The only way to postpone reality & truth from emerging is perpetual war. Russia must be stopped in Ukraine in order for the reality of things to take hold in Russia and for Russia to be rebuilt on sane values.
  - raverbashing 4y ago
    I agree, Vladvostok should be given to China /s edit: yes, it's more in jest than anything else
    - raducu 4y ago
      Actually I was just trolling with the "Russia must be split". Giving parts of a country to another country is a bad idea. Greater autonomy and less central power was what I actually meant.
- Hamuko 4y ago
  >Ukraine must be divided and de-militarized Are you Ukranian?
- genocidicbunny 4y ago
  While we're at it, why don't we split up and de-militarize Germany too? You wouldn't mind being under the Russian yoke again would you? Actually, better yet, why don't we go ahead and have Russia just directly annex the eastern part of Germany and send all the Germans living there to the far east. After all, if you're willing to dish out such terms to another sovereign nation, you should accept the same being done to yours.
- lifty 4y ago
  I would prefer to split Russia between China and Europe, and split their gas resources while we’re at it. Their military is trash anyway and everyone hates Putin. I’m sure the Russians won’t mind being part of Europe and being ruled by normal people instead of thugs.
raducu 4y ago
> sanctions on Russia were colossally stupid Declaring war to Hitler over invading Poland was colossally stupid. No, relying on oil and natural gas was stupid. We had so many warnings -- Moldova, Chechnya, Georgia, Ukraine in 2014 and Ukraine now -- the only explanation possible is that Merkel and her cronies are russian agents.
- zaarn 4y ago
  The much simpler explanation is that Merkel is not an independent agent but the agent of her party, even if the was running it with an iron fist, she was beholden to the whims of the voter base. And the party advertised itself on a platform of "no change". So reliance on gas built up by Gas-Gerd Schröder was never built back but only strengthened as to not endanger status quo.
- Ygg2 4y ago
  > Merkel and her cronies are russian agents. That would imply going against the grain. Merkel always did what was popular. And not freezing and supporting your industry is popular. Modern industry requires gas/oil. Green industry requires rare earth minerals. Guess which two countries have huge amounts of those available? Germany was always in a tight spot. Depends on Russia for energy, depends on US for security, and exports to China (+future rare earth minerals)

gambiting 4y ago

>>sanctions on Russia were colossally stupid Only in the sense that they weren't harsh enough, yes. They are stupid in how many areas they haven't tackled yet.

g42gregory 4y ago

Is there a reason to believe that this was done on purpose and not because of stupidity? High energy prices stimulate transition to the green energy, and there are literally $trillions to be made there.

mdp2021 4y ago

With that formulation, you seem to be considering short-term interests only. (Apart from hints of seeing practical interests only.)

88840-8855 4y ago

I fully agree. The sanctions must be taken back, Ukraine must be divided and de-militarized, relationship with Russia and China MUST be improved. All this as long as we can. Unfortuntatly, we only have trash politians in Germany. Once there are demonstrations against this shit system, I will join. For the first time in my life. I am sick and tired of this system that knows it better and just hurts us. No thanks.

raducu 4y ago
> Ukraine must be divided and de-militarized Ukraine first, then Poland then the baltics, then all the way to Berlin, and when we're there, all the way to the Atlantic ocean. Russian shills, do you think we're that stupid? Russia must be split. During the Soviet times, the main enemy of the Soviet State was their own people which could revolt. The russian people today are sadly 90% behind Putin with his ruscism because of the effective propaganda -- today, the only real enemy of Russia is Reality and Truth itself and that's what Russia is really fighting. The only way to postpone reality & truth from emerging is perpetual war. Russia must be stopped in Ukraine in order for the reality of things to take hold in Russia and for Russia to be rebuilt on sane values.
- raverbashing 4y ago
  I agree, Vladvostok should be given to China /s edit: yes, it's more in jest than anything else
  - raducu 4y ago
    Actually I was just trolling with the "Russia must be split". Giving parts of a country to another country is a bad idea. Greater autonomy and less central power was what I actually meant.
Hamuko 4y ago
>Ukraine must be divided and de-militarized Are you Ukranian?
genocidicbunny 4y ago
While we're at it, why don't we split up and de-militarize Germany too? You wouldn't mind being under the Russian yoke again would you? Actually, better yet, why don't we go ahead and have Russia just directly annex the eastern part of Germany and send all the Germans living there to the far east. After all, if you're willing to dish out such terms to another sovereign nation, you should accept the same being done to yours.
lifty 4y ago
I would prefer to split Russia between China and Europe, and split their gas resources while we’re at it. Their military is trash anyway and everyone hates Putin. I’m sure the Russians won’t mind being part of Europe and being ruled by normal people instead of thugs.

raducu 4y ago

> sanctions on Russia were colossally stupid Declaring war to Hitler over invading Poland was colossally stupid. No, relying on oil and natural gas was stupid. We had so many warnings -- Moldova, Chechnya, Georgia, Ukraine in 2014 and Ukraine now -- the only explanation possible is that Merkel and her cronies are russian agents.

zaarn 4y ago
The much simpler explanation is that Merkel is not an independent agent but the agent of her party, even if the was running it with an iron fist, she was beholden to the whims of the voter base. And the party advertised itself on a platform of "no change". So reliance on gas built up by Gas-Gerd Schröder was never built back but only strengthened as to not endanger status quo.
Ygg2 4y ago
> Merkel and her cronies are russian agents. That would imply going against the grain. Merkel always did what was popular. And not freezing and supporting your industry is popular. Modern industry requires gas/oil. Green industry requires rare earth minerals. Guess which two countries have huge amounts of those available? Germany was always in a tight spot. Depends on Russia for energy, depends on US for security, and exports to China (+future rare earth minerals)