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Okay, I'm confused by this reporting. As far as I can tell the article posted got its information from a Daily Mail article which in turn doesn't cite a source
by CSMastermind 4y ago
Okay, I'm confused by this reporting. As far as I can tell the article posted got its information from a Daily Mail article which in turn doesn't cite a source. The related AP bulletin only says:
> The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration confirmed Friday that it sent a Special Crash Investigations team to probe the Wednesday crash into the back of a semi-trailer at a rest area near Gainesville.
The reason I find the article confusing is because, as mentioned in the article, the NHTSA already has an open investigation, moving towards a recall, into Tesla crashes related to autopilot.
That investigation cited 37 cases where it appears the cars malfunctioned, both not prompting the driver and not taking preventative action like braking until it was too late to avoid the crash, and in some cases not at all.
If you weren't following that story, a quick summary:
- The government received 11 reports of Teslas striking first responders with autopilot engaged.
- This prompted them to investigate all reports they had received about Tesla crashes involving autopilot, regardless of if a first responder was involved or not.
- From the hundreds of crashes where this has happened, they went through and eliminated cases where something other than the technology played a role. This included things like the driver using the system in environments where it's not supported or the driver not reacting to vehicle prompts or the other driver being partially at fault or inclement weather or just not having enough data to draw a definitive conclusion.
- After ruling out every case with these other factors in play they ended up with 37 cases that appeared to be vehicle malfunctions. Cases on the highway, with the system operating as intended, in clear weather conditions, with an apparently attentive driver, with other traffic behaving normally, where the car still crashed, did not take action to prevent the crash, and did not prompt the driver until it was too late for them to take evasion action (in some cases never prompting them at all).
Original report here: https://static.nhtsa.gov/odi/inv/2022/INOA-EA22002-3184.PDF https://static.nhtsa.gov/odi/inv/2022/INOA-EA22002-3184.PDF
It doesn't seem like this case in Florida has been added to that investigation yet.
So what is this 37 number that they're reporting?
Did they mean to say, "this could be similar to the other 37 cases" or by total coincidence is it referencing some other group of 37 crashes that the NHTSA is investigating?
I'm confused but suspecting that the posted news article is just wrong.
Somewhere (presumably the Daily Mail) a journalist searched to see how many times a crash like this has happened and the search for something like "NHTSA investigates tesla crash how many times" returned the ongoing investigation with 37 confirmed cases.
Because to be clear: the NHTSA has investigated almost 400 Tesla autopilot crashes similar to this one and this one (as far as I can tell) has not been added to the engineering analysis they have open that has 37 other cases included in it.
Of course if there's something I'm missing here I'd love for someone to clear it up.
- mnd999 4y agoThe Daily Mail should not be considered a reliable source. Best to disregard anything from there. IIRC, Wikipedia takes this approach.
- lionkor 4y agoWhy is this? Is their journalism just that bad?
- tailspin2019 4y agoJust my subjective opinion… but I wouldn’t even call it journalism.
- codeduck 4y agoThe kindest thing that could be said about them is that they are a tabloid.
- JimDabell 4y agoThey will write absolute fiction and publish it as fact. For instance, they prepared two articles for the outcome of a high profile murder case, one for each verdict. Then they published the wrong one temporarily when the verdict was announced. Anybody can make a mistake though, right? Well, in this case, the wrong article included quotes about the guilty verdict (that didn’t happen) and detailed descriptions of how people reacted to the verdict. These were all completely made up before the verdict had even been announced. https://www.theguardian.com/media/greenslade/2011/dec/09/pcc-dailymail https://www.theguardian.com/media/greenslade/2011/dec/09/pcc...
- dawnerd 4y agoMight surprise you to learn most large publications do this and will use placeholder (or they're supposed to be at least) quotes. Not going to defend Daily Mail though, they're absolute trash and deserve the criticism. Of all the content I've encountered it was very, very clear what was placeholder, even if it was published you'd know something was off. I've also seen a publication that had safeguards against accidental publication if there was any placeholder copy in the content.