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At 37 investigations, shouldn't we have these things pulled off the roads? At minimum, we should be demanding a update disabling Autopilot and FSD entirely to

At 37 investigations, shouldn't we have these things pulled off the roads? At minimum, we should be demanding a update disabling Autopilot and FSD entirely to the entire fleet until the company's relatively rogue practices can be brought under control.

zionic 4y ago
As a Trekkie you should be asking for sample size. Odd that you’re not, and instead focusing on absolute numbers with millions of vehicles on the road
grecy 4y ago
> At 37 investigations, shouldn't we have these things pulled off the roads? Surely that would depend on the outcome of those investigations. If not we could just launch an investigation into every vehicle crash (~100 fatalities per day in the USA) and get all vehicles pulled off the road!
- hetoh 4y ago
  I understand lot of Elon fans here , who think he’s Jesus… but even 1 death or accident due to a bad design or bug should have already forced Tesla into bankruptcy… you cannot beta test with peoples life .. proclaim its autopilot and safest system and then when someone dies because of it just explain it away what if comparison.. I have a Tesla and this exact scenario happened with me instead of being on the freeway it just took parallel exit road and was almost going to crash but I took over control very last second and avoided a horrible crash … I also reported it in NHTSA… so I have very little tolerance to anyone who wants to suck off Elon.. tell me one car company which had faulty software/hardware which are still running and are not forced to recall or fix the parts.. so stop will bullshit comparison of every car being pulled off road … Elon has been playing fast and loose with laws and I hope it catches up to him
  - thrill 4y ago
    "even 1 death or accident due to a bad design or bug should have already forced Tesla into bankruptcy" We'd still be riding horses with that approach ... except in today's society we'd be suing the owners of the horses' parents when a horse misbehaved.
King-Aaron 4y ago
> At 37 investigations, shouldn't we have these things pulled off the roads? Just for comparison sake, it would be interesting to know how many safety investigation other makes have had in a similar timeframe (I don't know where to find such numbers). It's hard to know if 37 is a lot, or standard
- ocdtrekkie 4y ago
  They appear to have a navigable database here: https://crashviewer.nhtsa.dot.gov/ https://crashviewer.nhtsa.dot.gov/ At a glance I see there's a non-trivial number into Honda's crash avoidance systems, for example.

zionic 4y ago

As a Trekkie you should be asking for sample size. Odd that you’re not, and instead focusing on absolute numbers with millions of vehicles on the road

grecy 4y ago

> At 37 investigations, shouldn't we have these things pulled off the roads? Surely that would depend on the outcome of those investigations. If not we could just launch an investigation into every vehicle crash (~100 fatalities per day in the USA) and get all vehicles pulled off the road!

hetoh 4y ago
I understand lot of Elon fans here , who think he’s Jesus… but even 1 death or accident due to a bad design or bug should have already forced Tesla into bankruptcy… you cannot beta test with peoples life .. proclaim its autopilot and safest system and then when someone dies because of it just explain it away what if comparison.. I have a Tesla and this exact scenario happened with me instead of being on the freeway it just took parallel exit road and was almost going to crash but I took over control very last second and avoided a horrible crash … I also reported it in NHTSA… so I have very little tolerance to anyone who wants to suck off Elon.. tell me one car company which had faulty software/hardware which are still running and are not forced to recall or fix the parts.. so stop will bullshit comparison of every car being pulled off road … Elon has been playing fast and loose with laws and I hope it catches up to him
- thrill 4y ago
  "even 1 death or accident due to a bad design or bug should have already forced Tesla into bankruptcy" We'd still be riding horses with that approach ... except in today's society we'd be suing the owners of the horses' parents when a horse misbehaved.

King-Aaron 4y ago

> At 37 investigations, shouldn't we have these things pulled off the roads? Just for comparison sake, it would be interesting to know how many safety investigation other makes have had in a similar timeframe (I don't know where to find such numbers). It's hard to know if 37 is a lot, or standard

ocdtrekkie 4y ago
They appear to have a navigable database here: https://crashviewer.nhtsa.dot.gov/ https://crashviewer.nhtsa.dot.gov/ At a glance I see there's a non-trivial number into Honda's crash avoidance systems, for example.